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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 750860)

I was one of them. [who lost 2000 hours in my NWA sick bank]

Carl

Oh really? Can you explain the math on that? Your 2000 hour sick bank was able to allow you to get full pay for essentially two years while sitting on your butt out "sick". What did you exchange that for? Exactly the same thing. Through a combination of Delta's LTD program, DPMA, and your Top Up benefit, you still have two years of full pay at no cost to you.

So where's the loss?

iPhone editing should have said "as" not "AA"

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 750960)

Carl, I can't believe you forgot our days in College. We played Golf together ... remember when you taught me how to fix my slice?

Ohhhhh yeahhh...How soon we forget.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 750963)

My balance used to say thousands of hours (at 100%), now it says 100 hours per year at 100%, then we go to 75% pay.

That's the loss. But just like our new 70 hour guarantees, that's life. There are some things that are better here, and other things that aren't. C'est la vie.

Carl

I think after I had expended my 2200 hours...than we went on LTDB until we hit retirement age. Carl, Ferd?

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 750947)

No, it's not. We've been doing just south of $3 billion per year for quite some time. Their actions will show if they're serious about paying down debt. Debt interest service was north of $1.3 billion this year.

Slow, Thanks for bringing up the debt service. That right there equates to what the pilot group gave up over the last few years. It is not that they are not making the money, it is just going somewhere else.

Also, I was not referring to total capex, slow, just a specific portion of them.

Anyone in the pilot lounge listening to SD? Lets get some info!!!

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Originally Posted by beer (Post 750995)

Anyone in the pilot lounge listening to SD? Lets get some info!!!

Nope, just could not see myself getting in a car after getting home very late.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 750907)

I overreacted. Sorry.:o

No worries :)

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 750907)

My post did confuse the issue. There are several comparisons rapped up in my generalizations. I don't have quick access to the data, so I'm working from memory here. First is the averaged total pay hours per pilot which were paid as sick. The total sick pay hours per active pilot declined over 25% pre and post LOA 51. That's the one reflective of changed behavior in management's eyes. Second was the cost. As Check accurately points out, that is affected directly by staffing and scheduling. When staffing is tight (as it was in 2007 and is predicted to be this summer) sick leave uses up reserves quickly. When staffing is fat as during the past year, not so much, and most reserve sick leave coverage is subsumed in the reserve guarantee. On the other hand, even when staffing is fat, the earlier or later a pilot calls in sick triggers white slips, green slips and assignments, resulting in two pilots being paid for the same trip. When there's very little open time to pick up that's how many regular line guys improve their pay. For negotiations, the costing is done on a "normal" staffing model. Also, sick leave affects 4 components of the PBS staffing formula (Section 22.C.) and can result in the need for more pilots per category.

Thanks, I wasn't sure if I was reading your post correctly and was looking for more background information. Statistical analysis is great and is extremely useful in business modeling and costing. However, without the supporting information (or notes) they can be awfully misleading, as I am sure you know.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 750907)

Again, sorry for getting so ticked at the "truly analyzed" comment.

Again, don't worry about and I probably should have used a better choice of words. I was not implying that you (or ALPA) just blindly believe in anything that is provided by the company. I didn't know that I was taking that big of a whack at the bee-hive this morning :eek:.

The silly thing is that I really am not that wrapped up in the whole sick leave issue. Pilots need to use it as they see fit and those that abuse the system will have to answer to that at some point. I don't fly if sick and I have been lucky enough to remain healthy (even with 3 little kids at home). Unfortunately for me, I feel like I almost need to be in the hospital on life support for fellow pilots and management to truly believe I am sick. Guess that is just the Catholic guilt.

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Originally Posted by beer (Post 750995)

Anyone in the pilot lounge listening to SD? Lets get some info!!!

Wish they would post a web cast.