Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-31-2010, 10:09 AM
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ACL,
The "devil" is in the BLOCK HOURS flown AND THE QUALITY of those hours. DAL has a great deal of debt that they have to pay down, all the while paying for new terminals and a Billion dollar customer service redo. If you have a debt laden company that cannot afford to purchase new aircraft, you can do a JV with a company that will provide lift, feed and you reap 85% of the benefits with no addition capital purchases of additional aircraft. NWA pilots have seen this movie before. It was the near bankrupcy in 1992/93. We say the birth of the NWA/KLM code share. We have seen refurbished DC9's and used DC10's to provide lift for a company that could not afford to refleet the airline. NWA got lucky that fuel was so cheap for so long. Airline managers are historically followers, not leaders. Look to history to see how they are going to play the game.
The "devil" is in the BLOCK HOURS flown AND THE QUALITY of those hours. DAL has a great deal of debt that they have to pay down, all the while paying for new terminals and a Billion dollar customer service redo. If you have a debt laden company that cannot afford to purchase new aircraft, you can do a JV with a company that will provide lift, feed and you reap 85% of the benefits with no addition capital purchases of additional aircraft. NWA pilots have seen this movie before. It was the near bankrupcy in 1992/93. We say the birth of the NWA/KLM code share. We have seen refurbished DC9's and used DC10's to provide lift for a company that could not afford to refleet the airline. NWA got lucky that fuel was so cheap for so long. Airline managers are historically followers, not leaders. Look to history to see how they are going to play the game.
In the mean time, our national political leadership continues to be inept as it has been, well since Bush Sr. was in office.
Feedback implies there was a signal to initiate the loop. In our case, they give us nothing and ridicule speculation. So, we'll get nothing ... and like it!
Man Caddyshack can provide puns for any web board discussion, can't it?
01-31-2010, 10:16 AM
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We can debate "what if's" all day long. The thing is this is all speculation, educated guesses or whatever you want to call it. But we really don't/won't know jack until a deal with JAL is announced one way or the other. Before we get all worked up about what may or may not happen we need to see the deal. The best thing we can do now is contact our Reps before this special MEC meeting and give them our opinions and feedback. Who knows, maybe this meeting is not about this topic but it never hurts to provide your opinon and feedback.
Denny
Denny
I agree Denny. I will wait until the deal is actually a deal. But, it is a little disheartening to me that anyone would be resigned to the possibility of furloughs as a result of a DAL JAL JV after our union signed off on it.
I would hope to see "we had better not furlough" rather than "we might have to furlough." Know what I mean?
New K
PS: Don't work out and watch the ladies tennis while your wife is watching. She will catch on after a while. (After you refuse to watch mens tennis)
01-31-2010, 10:25 AM
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I guess my point is.........at this point the line pilot is along for the ride. Good, bad, or indifferent we are along for the ride. We just have to hope the driver knows what he is doing. We, via DALPA, can try to provide some direction but the decision on which way to go does not lie with us.
Denny
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01-31-2010, 10:28 AM
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Well ... we have some furlough protection expiring this fall. Guess we can promise to be good boys and girls in gratitude for getting to fly the right seat of MD88's and DC9's for much less than our friends who did not get hired, who are "stuck" as senior Captains on RJ's.
Que Joe Merchant with salt and lemon juice in three, two, one ... he always shows up right about the time the discussion turns in this direction.
Que Joe Merchant with salt and lemon juice in three, two, one ... he always shows up right about the time the discussion turns in this direction.
01-31-2010, 10:28 AM
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I agree Denny. I will wait until the deal is actually a deal. But, it is a little disheartening to me that anyone would be resigned to the possibility of furloughs as a result of a DAL JAL JV after our union signed off on it.
I would hope to see "we had better not furlough" rather than "we might have to furlough." Know what I mean?
New K
PS: Don't work out and watch the ladies tennis while your wife is watching. She will catch on after a while. (After you refuse to watch mens tennis)
I would hope to see "we had better not furlough" rather than "we might have to furlough." Know what I mean?
New K
PS: Don't work out and watch the ladies tennis while your wife is watching. She will catch on after a while. (After you refuse to watch mens tennis)
I agree 100%! By the way, womens tennis is not my thing...........now womens beach volleyball................
Denny
01-31-2010, 10:40 AM
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01-31-2010, 10:43 AM
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A little disheartening to say the least...all these strawmen and righteous indignation being built up.
01-31-2010, 10:44 AM
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01-31-2010, 10:48 AM
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[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;755150]Well ... we have some furlough protection expiring this fall.
How so???
How so???
01-31-2010, 10:49 AM
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I guess my point is.........at this point the line pilot is along for the ride. Good, bad, or indifferent we are along for the ride. We just have to hope the driver knows what he is doing. We, via DALPA, can try to provide some direction but the decision on which way to go does not lie with us.
But it's all DALPA's fault that all the beach flying is going to be flown by a new JV with JAL subcontracted furloughed DAL pilots with flow through rights to ASA after the NRT hub is shut down so JAL can feed us through HND with the 6 allowed total frequencies, but we're getting JAL's cargo division with a B scale...
Sheesh...
1. There is no JAL deal. If there were, there would have to be SEC disclosures.
2. There is a US government Open Skies deal that could be very bad for DAL.
3. Somebody moved our cheese. Adapt to reality.
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