Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-12-2009, 09:23 AM
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Maybe I'm not quite understanding the terms yet, but when you guys say we are in for the MOAB's, does that necessarily mean that there will be openings thru growth? Is it right for me to ask if this is a displacement bid or an AE?
I mean, are they just opening the system and saying, get where you want to be? Or, are they saying there is growth here and there, go for it?
Ie., if this bid were coming out without the new influx from the north, would you assume that every position would be getting more junior?
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I mean, are they just opening the system and saying, get where you want to be? Or, are they saying there is growth here and there, go for it?
Ie., if this bid were coming out without the new influx from the north, would you assume that every position would be getting more junior?
New K Now
11-12-2009, 09:30 AM
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Drama? He's right!
... pass rate on the 737 program is only 15%. Line Check Airmen and the FAA use your Certificate to fill out a pink slip at the beginning of your ride. Boeing builds crappy airplanes compared to Douglas. Snow is 4 feet deep in Atlanta this morning. I'd go get it off the driveway, but I'm afraid I'd get shot by a roving gang. Kids wear bullet proof vests in class. My Rottweiler craps on the floor because even he's afraid to go outside.
The Delta South guys are anal. They're raving lunatics. Atlanta's the absolute worst. Bid down here and I could be your First Officer. Besides every trip duties in at 05:45 and releases you after the last RJ flight to your home town. Atlanta's just horrible, terrible I'm telling you and in the summer it is hotter than a four balled tomcat.
Oh an there is no culture. Our aquarium is just a couple of goldfish in a kiddie pool. There's nothing to do, but it does not matter, you don't want to go outside once you get your locks set, alarms on, and security cameras powered up.
... pass rate on the 737 program is only 15%. Line Check Airmen and the FAA use your Certificate to fill out a pink slip at the beginning of your ride. Boeing builds crappy airplanes compared to Douglas. Snow is 4 feet deep in Atlanta this morning. I'd go get it off the driveway, but I'm afraid I'd get shot by a roving gang. Kids wear bullet proof vests in class. My Rottweiler craps on the floor because even he's afraid to go outside.
The Delta South guys are anal. They're raving lunatics. Atlanta's the absolute worst. Bid down here and I could be your First Officer. Besides every trip duties in at 05:45 and releases you after the last RJ flight to your home town. Atlanta's just horrible, terrible I'm telling you and in the summer it is hotter than a four balled tomcat.
Oh an there is no culture. Our aquarium is just a couple of goldfish in a kiddie pool. There's nothing to do, but it does not matter, you don't want to go outside once you get your locks set, alarms on, and security cameras powered up.
Your poor dog. You think it is because he is afraid to go outside, it is actually because he knows if he goes outside he will have to come back in. By crapping on your rug he knows he will be outside longer. He might have enough time to go meet up with that four balled Tomcat.
Didn't you know that a four balled Tomcat is a status symbol?
11-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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Maybe I'm not quite understanding the terms yet, but when you guys say we are in for the MOAB's, does that necessarily mean that there will be openings thru growth? Is it right for me to ask if this is a displacement bid or an AE?
I mean, are they just opening the system and saying, get where you want to be? Or, are they saying there is growth here and there, go for it?
Ie., if this bid were coming out without the new influx from the north, would you assume that every position would be getting more junior?
New K Now
I mean, are they just opening the system and saying, get where you want to be? Or, are they saying there is growth here and there, go for it?
Ie., if this bid were coming out without the new influx from the north, would you assume that every position would be getting more junior?
New K Now
The 320 in MSP will be surplussed in MSP and AEed in SLC. The 90 will be surplussed in SLC and AEed in MSP. That alone will create a ton of displacements and entitlements. Those jets are not fenced so a 320 driver in MSP could VD ATL 7ERA which would trigger the bottom 7ERA to get MDed to the 73NA and so on and so forth.
Add to it that a 330A could state that he would take the 320A in MSP in a VD so he is displaced allowing a 320A that was willing to take the 330B in MSP and as a result will allow a 330B to get MDed. Also a 320a/b guy that is surplussed in MSP could bid anything, but could also bump guys off other jets in MSP.
Point is that there is a ton of training and base movement that will go on with just that. Open up surpluses(displacements) and AE's (openings) in other parts of the system, and a lot of pilots with any seniority will be able to do what they want with a little work.
AE's are run first, then VD's then MD's.
The new openings will be open to everyone, then those openings created by those bidding the initial AE are available. Once that is figured out the VD's and MD's start.
I would suggest that every pilot put in a AE for where they want to be, and a MD for where they would be if they have the slightest chance of getting bumped. My bid sheet has 95 spots on it in all of the bases. I do it by percentage, not number or line holder.
If you want to be somewhere put in a VD as it will incur a seat lock.
11-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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Interesting rumor being put out by the DGS guys in the ATL training center. Not sure if its hit these boards yet. DAL may get SOC on-time but with some conditions. The biggest being that the pilots will not be able to cross fleet until everyone goes through a recurrent with a syllabus heavily ephasizing CRM. Supposedly the Feds are all over the training facility and see that North and South cockpits are run two different ways. That disturbs them but they may or may not have enough power to stop the train. Also, since the syllabus has to be created it probably would not start until June, the month the new annual recurrent syllabus is started. That means a few things: 1)No joint bid for 1.5 yrs and 2) When the co moves metal it will be only N/S guys bidding their "former" metal. I do not see the co objecting too much to this because it will drastically cut the training costs that could occur from a joint post-SOC bid. Supposedly a full initial is $60k per pilot. Just another of a long line of rumors but it is as believable as others.
11-12-2009, 09:47 AM
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Interesting rumor being put out by the DGS guys in the ATL training center. Not sure if its hit these boards yet. DAL may get SOC on-time but with some conditions. The biggest being that the pilots will not be able to cross fleet until everyone goes through a recurrent with a syllabus heavily ephasizing CRM. Supposedly the Feds are all over the training facility and see that North and South cockpits are run two different ways. That disturbs them but they may or may not have enough power to stop the train. Also, since the syllabus has to be created it probably would not start until June, the month the new annual recurrent syllabus is started. That means a few things: 1)No joint bid for 1.5 yrs and 2) When the co moves metal it will be only N/S guys bidding their "former" metal. I do not see the co objecting too much to this because it will drastically cut the training costs that could occur from a joint post-SOC bid. Supposedly a full initial is $60k per pilot. Just another of a long line of rumors but it is as believable as others.
The company is going to have to spend money one way or another on this bid.
Add to it that I talked to a lot of the dudes that make these decisions and there was not one that even mentioned this over the last few days. It was not even on their radar. They do get surprised, but if it has been going around for some time, then it is a low level rumor.
11-12-2009, 09:49 AM
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11-12-2009, 09:50 AM
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11-12-2009, 09:56 AM
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FWIW,
Flight standards is reporting "strong crossfleet standardization" in line checks so far between the 2 sides.
Ah, politics.
Flight standards is reporting "strong crossfleet standardization" in line checks so far between the 2 sides.
Ah, politics.
11-12-2009, 10:06 AM
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Lets say they are bi-polar and decide to do nothing besides the 320/90 swap. That alone will send shock waves throughout the system.
The 320 in MSP will be surplussed in MSP and AEed in SLC. The 90 will be surplussed in SLC and AEed in MSP. That alone will create a ton of displacements and entitlements. Those jets are not fenced so a 320 driver in MSP could VD ATL 7ERA which would trigger the bottom 7ERA to get MDed to the 73NA and so on and so forth.
Add to it that a 330A could state that he would take the 320A in MSP in a VD so he is displaced allowing a 320A that was willing to take the 330B in MSP and as a result will allow a 330B to get MDed. Also a 320a/b guy that is surplussed in MSP could bid anything, but could also bump guys off other jets in MSP.
Point is that there is a ton of training and base movement that will go on with just that. Open up surpluses(displacements) and AE's (openings) in other parts of the system, and a lot of pilots with any seniority will be able to do what they want with a little work.
AE's are run first, then VD's then MD's.
The new openings will be open to everyone, then those openings created by those bidding the initial AE are available. Once that is figured out the VD's and MD's start.
I would suggest that every pilot put in a AE for where they want to be, and a MD for where they would be if they have the slightest chance of getting bumped. My bid sheet has 95 spots on it in all of the bases. I do it by percentage, not number or line holder.
If you want to be somewhere put in a VD as it will incur a seat lock.
The 320 in MSP will be surplussed in MSP and AEed in SLC. The 90 will be surplussed in SLC and AEed in MSP. That alone will create a ton of displacements and entitlements. Those jets are not fenced so a 320 driver in MSP could VD ATL 7ERA which would trigger the bottom 7ERA to get MDed to the 73NA and so on and so forth.
Add to it that a 330A could state that he would take the 320A in MSP in a VD so he is displaced allowing a 320A that was willing to take the 330B in MSP and as a result will allow a 330B to get MDed. Also a 320a/b guy that is surplussed in MSP could bid anything, but could also bump guys off other jets in MSP.
Point is that there is a ton of training and base movement that will go on with just that. Open up surpluses(displacements) and AE's (openings) in other parts of the system, and a lot of pilots with any seniority will be able to do what they want with a little work.
AE's are run first, then VD's then MD's.
The new openings will be open to everyone, then those openings created by those bidding the initial AE are available. Once that is figured out the VD's and MD's start.
I would suggest that every pilot put in a AE for where they want to be, and a MD for where they would be if they have the slightest chance of getting bumped. My bid sheet has 95 spots on it in all of the bases. I do it by percentage, not number or line holder.
If you want to be somewhere put in a VD as it will incur a seat lock.
11-12-2009, 10:12 AM
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If you get MDed then yes, moving costs are covered.
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