Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-12-2009 | 12:35 PM
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Quick Q for all of you guys going to the ER, How long are you waiting for TOE?
11-12-2009 | 12:46 PM
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Add to it the 27R VASI is on the right side unlike a lot of runways, the 27R lights were on low intensity, and the fact that the center line lights on Mike are those LED's which can appear white. Add to it that it was their third/fourth runway change. Add to it the fatigue issues. See where this is going.
MCO APPROACH
"DAL 123, expect rwy 36 L."
"Roger, any chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123 , you'll get nothing and like it, plan on 36L."
MCO TOWER
"DAL 123, do a left 360, I need to get a Southwest jet out wrong direction."
"Roger, and chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123, plan on 35 right."
"Roger"
ON SHORT FINAL
"DAL 123, 35 L is available."
The joys of MCO.
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11-12-2009 | 01:00 PM
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S Dickson (Senior VP Flight Ops) and G Wilbur (Crew planning) came by the crew room in ATL today. I won't go into what was said since none of it was earth shattering and mirrors what has been said here. There were a few things of note I found interesting, a couple which pertain to things discussed on the last few pages of this thread:
1. The Taxiway M incident: As mentioned, ASAP accepted the incident so these guys are going to be back flying soon, if not already. What was interesting is that they looked back at previous reports (CORs, etc) and found numerous cases where flight crews had lined up on taxiway M under similar environmental conditions thinking they were lined up with the runway. For a variety of reasons, this crew, unfortunately, didn't catch the error and brought the approach to its completion.
2. The company is planning on a big uptick in narrow body flying (DC-9, MD88, 73N and A320). While the SLC M90 base is going to MSP, Wilbur said the plan is that there won't be a big displacement of MSP 320 to SLC. Rather, those SLC 320 slots will be filled by the increase in narrow body flying. IOW, the MSP 320 base won't shrink as much as one might think, which would reduce the ripple down effect a MD has on the system.
3. According to Dickson, for now the 9 MD90s we got from China are considered "growth" aircraft. The DC-9-30s and -40s will be gone by the end of 2010.
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
1. The Taxiway M incident: As mentioned, ASAP accepted the incident so these guys are going to be back flying soon, if not already. What was interesting is that they looked back at previous reports (CORs, etc) and found numerous cases where flight crews had lined up on taxiway M under similar environmental conditions thinking they were lined up with the runway. For a variety of reasons, this crew, unfortunately, didn't catch the error and brought the approach to its completion.
2. The company is planning on a big uptick in narrow body flying (DC-9, MD88, 73N and A320). While the SLC M90 base is going to MSP, Wilbur said the plan is that there won't be a big displacement of MSP 320 to SLC. Rather, those SLC 320 slots will be filled by the increase in narrow body flying. IOW, the MSP 320 base won't shrink as much as one might think, which would reduce the ripple down effect a MD has on the system.
3. According to Dickson, for now the 9 MD90s we got from China are considered "growth" aircraft. The DC-9-30s and -40s will be gone by the end of 2010.
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
11-12-2009 | 01:03 PM
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Interesting rumor being put out by the DGS guys in the ATL training center. Not sure if its hit these boards yet. DAL may get SOC on-time but with some conditions. The biggest being that the pilots will not be able to cross fleet until everyone goes through a recurrent with a syllabus heavily ephasizing CRM. Supposedly the Feds are all over the training facility and see that North and South cockpits are run two different ways. That disturbs them but they may or may not have enough power to stop the train. Also, since the syllabus has to be created it probably would not start until June, the month the new annual recurrent syllabus is started. That means a few things: 1)No joint bid for 1.5 yrs and 2) When the co moves metal it will be only N/S guys bidding their "former" metal. I do not see the co objecting too much to this because it will drastically cut the training costs that could occur from a joint post-SOC bid. Supposedly a full initial is $60k per pilot. Just another of a long line of rumors but it is as believable as others.
Like I said, not trying to discredit the rumor. I just it would hinder more then hurt, regardless of the training footprint that results from the MOAB's.
11-12-2009 | 01:07 PM
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S Dickson (Senior VP Flight Ops) and G Wilbur (Crew planning) came by the crew room in ATL today. I won't go into what was said since none of it was earth shattering and mirrors what has been said here. There were a few things of note I found interesting, a couple which pertain to things discussed on the last few pages of this thread:
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
See. I know how to start a rumor.
11-12-2009 | 01:09 PM
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Sounds like a standard night landing to the north at MCO.
MCO APPROACH
"DAL 123, expect rwy 36 L."
"Roger, any chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123 , you'll get nothing and like it, plan on 36L."
MCO TOWER
"DAL 123, do a left 360, I need to get a Southwest jet out wrong direction."
"Roger, and chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123, plan on 35 right."
"Roger"
ON SHORT FINAL
"DAL 123, 35 L is available."
The joys of MCO.
Scoop
MCO APPROACH
"DAL 123, expect rwy 36 L."
"Roger, any chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123 , you'll get nothing and like it, plan on 36L."
MCO TOWER
"DAL 123, do a left 360, I need to get a Southwest jet out wrong direction."
"Roger, and chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123, plan on 35 right."
"Roger"
ON SHORT FINAL
"DAL 123, 35 L is available."
The joys of MCO.
Scoop
11-12-2009 | 01:09 PM
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S Dickson (Senior VP Flight Ops) and G Wilbur (Crew planning) came by the crew room in ATL today. I won't go into what was said since none of it was earth shattering and mirrors what has been said here. There were a few things of note I found interesting, a couple which pertain to things discussed on the last few pages of this thread:
1. The Taxiway M incident: As mentioned, ASAP accepted the incident so these guys are going to be back flying soon, if not already. What was interesting is that they looked back at previous reports (CORs, etc) and found numerous cases where flight crews had lined up on taxiway M under similar environmental conditions thinking they were lined up with the runway. For a variety of reasons, this crew, unfortunately, didn't catch the error and brought the approach to its completion.
2. The company is planning on a big uptick in narrow body flying (DC-9, MD88, 73N and A320). While the SLC M90 base is going to MSP, Wilbur said the plan is that there won't be a big displacement of MSP 320 to SLC. Rather, those SLC 320 slots will be filled by the increase in narrow body flying. IOW, the MSP 320 base won't shrink as much as one might think, which would reduce the ripple down effect a MD has on the system.
3. According to Dickson, for now the 9 MD90s we got from China are considered "growth" aircraft. The DC-9-30s and -40s will be gone by the end of 2010.
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
1. The Taxiway M incident: As mentioned, ASAP accepted the incident so these guys are going to be back flying soon, if not already. What was interesting is that they looked back at previous reports (CORs, etc) and found numerous cases where flight crews had lined up on taxiway M under similar environmental conditions thinking they were lined up with the runway. For a variety of reasons, this crew, unfortunately, didn't catch the error and brought the approach to its completion.
2. The company is planning on a big uptick in narrow body flying (DC-9, MD88, 73N and A320). While the SLC M90 base is going to MSP, Wilbur said the plan is that there won't be a big displacement of MSP 320 to SLC. Rather, those SLC 320 slots will be filled by the increase in narrow body flying. IOW, the MSP 320 base won't shrink as much as one might think, which would reduce the ripple down effect a MD has on the system.
3. According to Dickson, for now the 9 MD90s we got from China are considered "growth" aircraft. The DC-9-30s and -40s will be gone by the end of 2010.
4. Network has now predicted a 7% increase in summer peak flying v. last year. That puts staffing at just the right levels, Dickson said. Someone asked about the new proposed duty regs and he said it was too early to tell until they get the final regulation, but he thought it would probably be a wash staffing wise. If anything, it might require an extra 100 bodies or so, but nothing substantial. Nothing I heard made me think we need 1700 new pilots, so I'm still not sure where that rumor is coming from.
3) Was something that has been talked about for a few days.
4) I was told very recently and hinted at it last night. 1700 is a school house rumor and one that has been floated on some levels. They will not publicly comment on hiring, as that is a legal tightrope that I will not discuss on here.
My guess is that they are probably looking at it and will pull the trigger on it after the bid if it is needed. I think that guys of furlough bypass may eat all of it up FWIW. Going in to late next year and 2011, we will need bodies no doubt. Do not let anyone fool you. When they are saying 100 short, they are being coy.......
11-12-2009 | 01:10 PM
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11-12-2009 | 01:12 PM
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Sounds like a standard night landing to the north at MCO.
MCO APPROACH
"DAL 123, expect rwy 36 L."
"Roger, any chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123 , you'll get nothing and like it, plan on 36L."
MCO TOWER
"DAL 123, do a left 360, I need to get a Southwest jet out wrong direction."
"Roger, and chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123, plan on 35 right."
"Roger"
ON SHORT FINAL
"DAL 123, 35 L is available."
The joys of MCO.
Scoop
MCO APPROACH
"DAL 123, expect rwy 36 L."
"Roger, any chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123 , you'll get nothing and like it, plan on 36L."
MCO TOWER
"DAL 123, do a left 360, I need to get a Southwest jet out wrong direction."
"Roger, and chance of 35L?"
"DAL 123, plan on 35 right."
"Roger"
ON SHORT FINAL
"DAL 123, 35 L is available."
The joys of MCO.
Scoop
11-12-2009 | 01:13 PM
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BTW, did anyone have big enough coins to ask about that island in the Pacific......?
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