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Old 04-18-2010 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Not mutually exclusive - the limiting to $50 for direct bill laundry expenses is a violation of the PWA - we either enforce the contract or don't and live with the inevitable consequences.

As to pay protection is there any word one way or another that we are pay protected per 4.E and/or 23.K or is management waiving the FM flag?

Are pilots stuck getting an extra 5:15 a day?

Rumor is they are pulling FM on the F/A's for canceled rotations to the EU

There is no FM for individual sections of the contract. Pilots are not getting 5:15 per day stuck. They should be getting almost 7 hours a day via 1 for 3.5. They will also get paid for any rotations they miss. I don't know why the company would pull FM on the flight attendants. They have no contract. The company can do anything they want. You could be talking about the former NW flight attendants and in that case I have no idea what they have in their contract. Delta flight attendants red book rules include some limited pay protection but I don't know the particulars.
Old 04-18-2010 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Not mutually exclusive - the limiting to $50 for direct bill laundry expenses is a violation of the PWA - we either enforce the contract or don't and live with the inevitable consequences.

As to pay protection is there any word one way or another that we are pay protected per 4.E and/or 23.K or is management waiving the FM flag?

Are pilots stuck getting an extra 5:15 a day?

Rumor is they are pulling FM on the F/A's for canceled rotations to the EU
Maybe I'm reading the above wrong, but I don't see where the limiting to $50 for laundry expense is a violation of the contract. To the contrary, it states right in the contract that the expense IS limited to $50. What do you base that statement on?

Laundry Expenses
Laundry expenses for a pilot will be reimbursed as follows:
1. A domestic category pilot is not entitled to laundry expense reimbursement.
2. An international category pilot who is engaged in international operations is eligible for reimbursement for laundry expenses incurred at a layover city if his rotation contains an ocean crossing and has a time away from base (TAFB) of 96 hours or more:
a. a receipt is required, which must be submitted through the electronic expense form, and
b. the maximum reimbursement is $50.00.


Denny

Okay, I see the "direct billed" in the above now and I can see where this might be a gray area.


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Old 04-18-2010 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Maybe I'm reading the above wrong, but I don't see where the limiting to $50 for laundry expense is a violation of the contract. To the contrary, it states right in the contract that the expense IS limited to $50. What do you base that statement on?

Laundry Expenses
Laundry expenses for a pilot will be reimbursed as follows:
1. A domestic category pilot is not entitled to laundry expense reimbursement.
2. An international category pilot who is engaged in international operations is eligible for reimbursement for laundry expenses incurred at a layover city if his rotation contains an ocean crossing and has a time away from base (TAFB) of 96 hours or more:
a. a receipt is required, which must be submitted through the electronic expense form, and
b. the maximum reimbursement is $50.00.


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Okay, I see the "direct billed" in the above now and I can see where this might be a gray area.

Yup, that is for reimbursement, not direct bill. In AMS and NRT you just drop off your laundry and pick it up a day later - no expense to the pilot.

Someone decided that the direct bill charge cannot exceed $50 equivalent.
Old 04-18-2010 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Yup, that is for reimbursement, not direct bill. In AMS and NRT you just drop off your laundry and pick it up a day later - no expense to the pilot.

Someone decided that the direct bill charge cannot exceed $50 equivalent.
Is that $50 per rotation or every so many days. Next month my trip is 12 days without going throuh AMS. It has 8 crossings. I don't own 8 shirts.
Old 04-18-2010 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
Is that $50 per rotation or every so many days. Next month my trip is 12 days without going throuh AMS. It has 8 crossings. I don't own 8 shirts.
A true "professional" would own at least 8 shirts. NOT.
Old 04-18-2010 | 05:26 PM
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Then expense it two or three times!
Old 04-18-2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluto
Contract gurus:
I'm getting displaced and I'm scheduled to be on rsv on 4/30 in SLC and 5/1 in MSP. Aside from using PCS to swap rsv days, is there a provision for days off for moving? I'm not quite sure logistically how I'd do that otherwise.
Good luck with that, I had a similar situation between NYC and SLC when I was displaced. They decided to fly me on a rotation that spilled into the next month, I was done at 9pm in SLC and on reserve the next day in NYC. I called scheduling and asked if they would get me a hotel room since I was finished in SLC, had already moved out of my apartment, and not even based there. They declined, said It's up to me to get to my base. I finally got a CP on the line who offered to make sure I was on late short call so I could make it in time. I ended up taking a redeye to JFK, thanks scheduling!
Old 04-18-2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
A true "professional" would own at least 8 shirts. NOT.

I carry 8 shirts on every trip, just in case DL would like me to bestow them with my services for a few extra days.

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Old 04-18-2010 | 05:36 PM
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Geez I carry one extra, maybe two in the summer. Not t-shirts, that is one a duty day.
Old 04-18-2010 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Yup, that is for reimbursement, not direct bill. In AMS and NRT you just drop off your laundry and pick it up a day later - no expense to the pilot.

Someone decided that the direct bill charge cannot exceed $50 equivalent.
Do you have some substantiation for that, and if so, have you directed the affected pilot to CA?
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