Shouldn't that be "to all you Delta mothers"?

 

Actually it would be "All Y'all". I used Yankee English in deference to our Northern brethren.

 

This fence is not going to be the deciding factor as to whether or not DAL buys more aircraft. If they think it is to their advantage to do so, they will do it now in any cobination of replacement (744 or 787) or new aircraft. They will work with LM and get it done, especially if it means additional Capt. positions or more new hires. If they have to pay protect some pilots they will. Bottom line, if they need the aircraft to compete, it's going to get done. The fence won't stop them.

 

I guess I really don't see the difference. If said is true, why is it easier to crew fNWA747 and fDAL777 than crew fNWA777 and fDAL777. Dynamics still the same, but you do gain economies of scale in other areas.

 

I heard a rumor from my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who said that the hiring is to backfill all the increased widebody flying. So if all the positions are not filled with the fall AE, new hires will once again be headed to the 7ER

 

Yes! Happy Mother's Day!!!

 

Do we own the 744's, and if so are they paid off, or are they leased?

Denny

 

Heyas,

It's actually fairly easy. The "fences" that were up after the NWA and Republic mergers weren't fences, but rather quotas.

Read line 5 of the award NW/DL SLI award:

5. Should the merged company take delivery of any aircraft which is/are a replacement of any aircraft covered by Paragraph 4., the captain positions and, as applicable, the first officer positions on each such replacement aircraft will be allocated in accordance with the Paragraph 4. restrictions on the type it is replacing.

Allocations are the same as quotas. You take a snapshot of the staffing of the 744, and you apply that as "red" staffing on any 777 category. As the SLI only applies to position staffing/displacement, once people are in the seats, it's treated as one big category with people bidding their seniority (same as if there are insufficient bidders).

We had red and green guys flying the same equipment together, even replacement equipment, for years and years in accordance with the NW/REP merger SLI using this process.

This is a molehill, not a mountain. Does it cause a little bit of administrative fiddling during awards/displacements? Yup. But that's about it.

They didn't want the 777s because they didn't want them. The SLI had nothing to do with it.

Nu

 

When did we get the award?

 

DOT: US grants new Tokyo routes to Delta, American, Hawaiian; United and Continental left out



MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Delta Air Lines, American, and Hawaiian are on track to get four new routes to Tokyo Haneda airport under a preliminary Transportation Department decision on Friday.

The tentative decision would give Hawaiian Airlines its first scheduled flights to Japan, and makes Delta -- already the biggest U.S. carrier to Asia -- an even more dominant player over the Pacific.

Haneda has been off-limits to U.S. carriers since 1978. It has mostly been a domestic airport, but it's desirable for U.S. carriers because it is closer to the center of Tokyo than Narita airport, which is already served by Delta, United, and American.

The tentative order divvies up the right to take off and land once per day on flights between the approved cities.

It's a big win for Hawaiian Airlines, which plans to fly from Honolulu. The DOT said it favored Hawaiian's application because it would increase competition and be good for the Hawaiian economy.

Delta Air Lines Inc. also came out well, getting permission to fly from Los Angeles and Detroit. Delta flies to Tokyo Narita from 11 cities, including a flight from Detroit. But the DOT said Delta's plan to use large Boeing 747s would increase competition on the new routes. The more seats on a route, the less airlines can generally charge for them. Delta's 747s seat 403 people compared to the Boeing 777s and 767s proposed by the other carriers, which seat roughly 250.

American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp., would fly to Haneda airport from New York.

Left waiting at the gate were Continental Airlines Inc. and UAL Corp.'s United Airlines. They also applied for the Tokyo routes -- United to fly from San Francisco, Continental from Newark, and from Guam on its Continental Micronesia unit.

The DOT said it looked at the geography and competitive situations in choosing the winning airlines. United and Continental on Monday announced plans to combine into the world's largest carrier. Transportation Department spokesman Bill Mosley said that was not a factor in denying new routes to those two carriers.

United spokesman Mike Trevino said the airline still believes it has the best route proposal. He said United will file a response with the DOT.

Continental said in a written statement that it was disappointed with the decision and that it will work with the Transportation Department on "future opportunities" to fly to Tokyo Haneda. It did not say whether it would appeal the current decision.

Additional comments on the DOT preliminary decision are due in 10 days.

Once the DOT issues a final decision, the winning airlines must begin service by Jan. 29.

The slots awarded preliminarily on Friday won't become available until the U.S. and Japan sign a new U.S.-Japan open skies agreement finalized in December, and until construction on a fourth runway at Haneda is finished. The runway is expected to be finished in October.

The order says the new flights to the U.S. will have to leave Haneda between midnight and 7 a.m.