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Old 05-07-2010 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Bar, what is interesting is I know pilots that are not flying anywhere near that much on the 73N in ATL.
Then you better go play golf with him and the scheduler(s).

They are amazingly capable at manipulating short calls to sniper shot trips in scheduling. It takes a coordinated effort among willing participants. I also strongly suspect that they hold trips out of open time, but then again, I've gotten lucky and sniper shot some over the phone.

The other issue with the 73N is that the double all nighters to S and Central America burn up a lot of TAFB without generating much block or credit. They balance those to avoid pilots going over 70 hrs on reserve.
Old 05-07-2010 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
IF IF IF we merge with AS, there will be a 10 mile deep moat around their SEA flying. Probably not the LAX stuff but the SEA stuff.
Heyas ACL,

The only way the AK merger will happen is if there is another game changer.

SWA has the coin to burn through any "poison pill" if they really want to.

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Old 05-07-2010 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dc8co
GREAT a positive bid,but to me it looks like a fnw favored bid again with lost of lifestyle changes for fdl pilots.
so much for the rumored A330Atl.
Awful for the cvg boys.
Not much heavy recovery for Atl,after the last bid.
Yeah... and they're a sympathetic bunch ... . Maybe it is because they haven't gotten two pay cuts in a row with 3 visits to the schoolhouse in a year.
Originally Posted by freightguy
Damn man...have a positive outlook for once. The company announced hiring, the AE has hundreds of vacancies, lots of widebody slots and here you are *****ing about it. The CVG guys/gals will do fine....just like I was fine after getting booted of the whale in ANC following the merger. The CVG guys/gals have a lot more choice than just MD88 in MSP.
It will come around. I'm just surprised at the net block hours constantly being pulled out of Atlanta on everything but the MD88. When you walk up E Concourse in the afternoon 2 out of 3 jets is a A330 or 747. DC8 is right, seems like they would staff that time out of ATL.

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Old 05-07-2010 | 10:11 AM
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HeraldNet: Boeing gets order for 20 777s

Dont know for who....just sayin.
Old 05-07-2010 | 10:21 AM
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Jack, read back a few pages.....
Old 05-07-2010 | 10:59 AM
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For whoever was worrying about CVG guys displacing to ATL, don't get your panties in a wad. There may be a few, but not many, I'd wager. CVG-ATL is a bear of a commute, and most of the CVG guys live either in CVG, or a drivable distance from CVG (i.e. IND, CMH) Much easier to commute (via plane or car,) to DTW - and I think they have enough vacancies that no one will get kicked out of DTW, either.
Old 05-07-2010 | 10:59 AM
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...suddenly it's quiet as everybody updates their AE/VD/MD prefs...

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Old 05-07-2010 | 11:04 AM
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How can I get into a more junior category that has no posted vacancies? IE, I want off the NYC ER and on the NYC 73.
Old 05-07-2010 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Yeah... and they're a sympathetic bunch ... . Maybe it is because they haven't gotten two pay cuts in a row with 3 visits to the schoolhouse in a year.

It will come around. I'm just surprised at the net block hours constantly being pulled out of Atlanta on everything but the MD88. When you walk up E Concourse in the afternoon 2 out of 3 jets is a A330 or 747. DC8 is right, seems like they would staff that time out of ATL.
Originally Posted by Dc8co
GREAT a positive bid,but to me it looks like a fnw favored bid again with lost of lifestyle changes for fdl pilots.
so much for the rumored A330Atl.
Awful for the cvg boys.
Not much heavy recovery for Atl,after the last bid.
Bar,

It's the second post in a couple of days where you manage to fan the flames of a fire that we're all pretty content to see extinguished. It's also a pretty short-sighted attitude in terms of the AE itself. The problem with the SLI, and the reason I think we were correct to insist that Relative Ratios were eminently fair to the fNWA guys, is that a greater % of their flying was not the (dare I say "premium"?) best flying you could hope for. The differential of what a fNWA and a fDAL guy could hold for a constant seniority % is greatly exacerbated by the fact we (DAL) did not have such a stratified list, where everyone did their level best to hold the highest paying equipment possible. We had a guys chase QOL more, and guys ducking from NYC, which created an unusual situation, with even newhire getting the ER.

The thing us junior guys would fear, therefore, is to have fNWA guys flow, in a way that would "rectify" the seniority list. In my opinion, any bid that is "favorable" to the fNWA side (to the extent you believe there are "sides"), is an opportunity for fNWA guys to bid around "their" system, and not flow "over here".

So you may be upset that ATL flying is shifting, and the CVG guys are legitimately upset about what's happening to their base, but that doesn't mean the fNWA "side" is favored. As always, the only real source of mutual advancement is growth and attrition. For once, we have a net positive bid. Let's be sympathetic to the CVG guys, but let's also be grateful we're not sliding backwards in the aggregate.

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Old 05-07-2010 | 11:18 AM
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DOT Announces Proposed Decision to Award Four Routes at Tokyo’s Haneda Airport

The U.S. Department of Transportation is proposing to award four routes to Tokyo’s downtown Haneda Airport to American Airlines at New York, Delta Air Lines at Los Angeles and Detroit, and Hawaiian Airlines at Honolulu when the airport’s fourth runway becomes operational later this year.
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