Eck4Life

That is the statement of the year. My friends keep asking me how it went and I tell them how much better it could have been and then I have to honestly tell them how much worse, also. I hang up the phone and realize they did a stand up job. Except for my portion of the list that is!!

NuGuy

Heyas,

Using the "me too" argument for giving up the call in honest policy is pointless. If the DAL FAs want their own commuter policy, they are free to negotiate with management to get it...but OOPS, they can't, because they don't have a union.

Maybe that's one of the trade offs they can get to keep the union OFF the property...seems like DAL management can be pretty generous when it comes to representation vote time.

I, for one, am not interested in curtailing our own negotiating priorities in deference to a group that's not even interested in representing themselves. If they feel that management best represents their needs, then so be it.

Nu

newKnow

Nu,

It's also kind of hard to make that argument when domestically the FA's don't even stay in the same hotels as the pilots. If that is the case and there is a reason for that, Old Delta guys chime in.

Carl Spackler

That is dead on the money NuGuy. When the next contract comes up we'll have plenty of guys willing to curtail negotiating priorities because they are - well...puss!es. The last thing we need is further curtailing because we're worried about another group. Any group.

Carl

Denny Crane

Barracuda,

Do you know for a fact that US Air management has not accepted the list? I don't know. There is a merged list at US Air that was the result of binding arbitration. Whether it has been accepted is another story. I believe the pilots from the separate groups don't fly with each other because there is no JCBA.

I think you are being a little niave (sp?) in thinking both merger committees could some how be "forced" to come to a negotiated list. How do you do that? At some point, sooner or later, there would be a merged list either thru negotiation or binding arbitration per ALPA policy/handbook or what ever you want to call it. Via the JCBA and the process agreement, both sides decided it would be better to get it done earlier and put it behind us.

I was very surprised by the lack of fences, as I'm sure alot of people were.

Ferd.......where's my scotch!?.........mad cow's kickin' in!

Denny

Denny Crane

I haven't heard, does anyone know if Delta management has accepted the arbitrated list?

Denny

Barracuda

I tell you what, I talk to USAIR guys over the tracks quite a bit, and as of a few days ago, there is no AWA pilots flying to Europe. Somebody said "The end justifies the means". USAIR pilots still fly USAIR planes at their bases and routes. Too bad they can't get decent management on the property.

sailingfun

Barracuda, Again you are wrong. The USAIR list was accepted by management at USAIR right after ALPA presented it to them. It is the seniority list at USAIR. The Delta list has also been excepted by Delta management.
USAIR is still flying split operations because they don't have a joint contract. The USAIR pilots are still flying under their original contract and make less then the America West pilots. Until they sign a joint contract their operations can't be integrated. USAIR pilots are making the lowest wages in the industry.

tsquare

THAT would be a dramatic shift around here.. but I hope it occurs.

Adolphus Coors

DAL FAs are not restricted by the same rest and max hours requirements pilots are. As a result they fly rotations that are more productive and they tend to have much shorter rest periods then we do. This causes them to be placed into the airport layover location rather than the downtown layover location. If they are on a long layover or have the same layover as the pilots they are very very likely laying over in the same hotel as us.

When I first asked the same question you did I was told a group of DAL pilot wifes had gotten upset by the behavior of their spouses on layovers and asked the company to have us layover separately. After doing some more digging I concluded it was more then likely because FAs would rather be more productive than layover with the pilots.