Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-17-2010, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Got this emailed to me. For those of you who think the fNWA guys are all happy here is a comment that went to ALPA on their survey.
Subject: my reply to the alpa survey at the end in the comments section
Comments-
I am a former "North" pilot and I live in Atlanta. My wife is a "real" Delta F/A. You would think I/we would be thrilled with the merger. Well, sorry to say, not true.
My facts: In the past year:
1) My quality of life has gone way down.
2) The stress in my life has gone way up.
3) My paycheck is down.
I could end it right there but, since you want “additional comments”, here goes...
My opinions:
For me, this merger of the, "were going to take the best of both airlines and blend into one great airline..." turned into a great big force feeding / one more loving spoon full... for the NWA pilot group.
I see it as a failure of ALPA. ALPA Nation, DAL & NWA. My union has totally failed me.
I have to start with the seniority list.
"Ratio"...? The "ratio" track was only good on day 1 of the merger. Look at where my "ratio" will be in 10 yrs and where it should be. Sorry, I got screwed along with a large % of NWA pilots. My June 2010 SS# is 4,5xx. The DAL guy hired the same day as me, #2,6xx. (I’ll do the math for you, that’s 1,870#’s) I’m almost 49 yrs old. That is a huge disparity, forever. In no way did I expect to come in to this merger and bump him (#2,6xx) out of his position, but in no uncertain terms do I think it’s fair that he should always, for the rest of my career and his, have that kind of super-seniority to me. Especially, when most of the retirements in the next 8+/- yrs are former NWA pilots. My chance to move up the list, have holidays off with my family, enjoy seniority and earn money to support my family is gone. Forever! The career expectations I had when I was hired for NWA and have had for the last 22+ yrs. Gone. Forever. Do you get/understand that? This seniority list will cost me a million dollars in lost promotions, and many lost holidays with my family over the rest of my career. Thank you ALPA. If I could leave APLA tomorrow, I would.
I blame DAL (Moak) & National (Prater) ALPA 100%. I believe they were in bed with Richard Andreson, and the merger team the whole way. The "dynamic list" or DOH (with fences) was the best, true ALPA choice. But, guess what, not the best choice for DAL pilots or Anderson. So, look at what we got.
The whole company will be merged, date of hire, except the two pilot groups (the only union on the property). What am I missing here?
Ok, now, let's forget the seniority list and look at the rest of the "blending". How did that go? 80%- 20% DAL ALPA format. 85%-15%??? From the small to the big...
Contract, scheduling, work rules, all manuals, Log books, fuel slips, bidding, check-list, all cockpit procedures, how to fly the jet, scheduling, how to take your crew rest on a trans-pac, work rules, IT, sopa, smac, AOM., FOM, work rules, COM, QRM and everything in between. (did I say scheduling and work rules?) Oh, and I love the fact that I can't view my crews “take-off and landing currency” when I sign-in for a trip because I'm "not a captain".... ha! that’s beautiful! Pure Delta. And the conversion to the DAL flt planning/paper work. I think the quote on the Delta web site said “smooth/seamless”…Ha!.. One place, right place. BS. The list goes on and on…
Of course, let’s not forget the “phase” training program. I really loved the whole…, we (delta) will "train you" (nwa pilot) on-line. How easy is that!!! You guys just watch this video on your home computer and, poof! Your good to go!... Just forget all you have done for the past 20+ yrs in your job and go to work the next day and do it all different. No worries! Good on ya mate! Yeh-ha!!! Mash the button!
So, as I slowly watch all the former NWA pilot/managers get “retired” and replaced by DAL boys. All I can think about is the phrase I saw on the bathroom wall in the Atlanta pilot crew room…”It’s time for the Visine treatment… lets get the RED out”…
As my friend, Parri “scrappy” Olmstead (then ALPA sched committee chairman and now our negotiating chairman) told me… "[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I understand your frustration and had NWA acquired Delta I would probably be in your boat…but it was the other way around. It is what it is and sometimes it is better to accept what you have no control over and move on[/FONT]…”
I’m am so glad Parri is my Negotaiting chairman, I’m really sure he is on my team. Yeah! Go ALPA! Go Parri!
So.. “Howgozit??
In my opinion, not too good on my side of the ledger. It’s kind of like a big, fat “zit” on my a**.
I have one more question for you. Do you think it would “flush” if the head of the 777 program “retired” and was replaced by the head of the 747 program??? Howgozit…….
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave and, lets “get the red out”.
Is there is a little frustration, stress and anger in my life right now. Take a guess.
Am I happy with ALPA? Take a guess.
I am glad you asked for “additional comments” in your survey? Take a guess.
DTW 747 f/o, 22+ yrs with the company, on reserve, not by choice.
Subject: my reply to the alpa survey at the end in the comments section
Comments-
I am a former "North" pilot and I live in Atlanta. My wife is a "real" Delta F/A. You would think I/we would be thrilled with the merger. Well, sorry to say, not true.
My facts: In the past year:
1) My quality of life has gone way down.
2) The stress in my life has gone way up.
3) My paycheck is down.
I could end it right there but, since you want “additional comments”, here goes...
My opinions:
For me, this merger of the, "were going to take the best of both airlines and blend into one great airline..." turned into a great big force feeding / one more loving spoon full... for the NWA pilot group.
I see it as a failure of ALPA. ALPA Nation, DAL & NWA. My union has totally failed me.
I have to start with the seniority list.
"Ratio"...? The "ratio" track was only good on day 1 of the merger. Look at where my "ratio" will be in 10 yrs and where it should be. Sorry, I got screwed along with a large % of NWA pilots. My June 2010 SS# is 4,5xx. The DAL guy hired the same day as me, #2,6xx. (I’ll do the math for you, that’s 1,870#’s) I’m almost 49 yrs old. That is a huge disparity, forever. In no way did I expect to come in to this merger and bump him (#2,6xx) out of his position, but in no uncertain terms do I think it’s fair that he should always, for the rest of my career and his, have that kind of super-seniority to me. Especially, when most of the retirements in the next 8+/- yrs are former NWA pilots. My chance to move up the list, have holidays off with my family, enjoy seniority and earn money to support my family is gone. Forever! The career expectations I had when I was hired for NWA and have had for the last 22+ yrs. Gone. Forever. Do you get/understand that? This seniority list will cost me a million dollars in lost promotions, and many lost holidays with my family over the rest of my career. Thank you ALPA. If I could leave APLA tomorrow, I would.
I blame DAL (Moak) & National (Prater) ALPA 100%. I believe they were in bed with Richard Andreson, and the merger team the whole way. The "dynamic list" or DOH (with fences) was the best, true ALPA choice. But, guess what, not the best choice for DAL pilots or Anderson. So, look at what we got.
The whole company will be merged, date of hire, except the two pilot groups (the only union on the property). What am I missing here?
Ok, now, let's forget the seniority list and look at the rest of the "blending". How did that go? 80%- 20% DAL ALPA format. 85%-15%??? From the small to the big...
Contract, scheduling, work rules, all manuals, Log books, fuel slips, bidding, check-list, all cockpit procedures, how to fly the jet, scheduling, how to take your crew rest on a trans-pac, work rules, IT, sopa, smac, AOM., FOM, work rules, COM, QRM and everything in between. (did I say scheduling and work rules?) Oh, and I love the fact that I can't view my crews “take-off and landing currency” when I sign-in for a trip because I'm "not a captain".... ha! that’s beautiful! Pure Delta. And the conversion to the DAL flt planning/paper work. I think the quote on the Delta web site said “smooth/seamless”…Ha!.. One place, right place. BS. The list goes on and on…
Of course, let’s not forget the “phase” training program. I really loved the whole…, we (delta) will "train you" (nwa pilot) on-line. How easy is that!!! You guys just watch this video on your home computer and, poof! Your good to go!... Just forget all you have done for the past 20+ yrs in your job and go to work the next day and do it all different. No worries! Good on ya mate! Yeh-ha!!! Mash the button!
So, as I slowly watch all the former NWA pilot/managers get “retired” and replaced by DAL boys. All I can think about is the phrase I saw on the bathroom wall in the Atlanta pilot crew room…”It’s time for the Visine treatment… lets get the RED out”…
As my friend, Parri “scrappy” Olmstead (then ALPA sched committee chairman and now our negotiating chairman) told me… "[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I understand your frustration and had NWA acquired Delta I would probably be in your boat…but it was the other way around. It is what it is and sometimes it is better to accept what you have no control over and move on[/FONT]…”
I’m am so glad Parri is my Negotaiting chairman, I’m really sure he is on my team. Yeah! Go ALPA! Go Parri!
So.. “Howgozit??
In my opinion, not too good on my side of the ledger. It’s kind of like a big, fat “zit” on my a**.
I have one more question for you. Do you think it would “flush” if the head of the 777 program “retired” and was replaced by the head of the 747 program??? Howgozit…….
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave and, lets “get the red out”.
Is there is a little frustration, stress and anger in my life right now. Take a guess.
Am I happy with ALPA? Take a guess.
I am glad you asked for “additional comments” in your survey? Take a guess.
DTW 747 f/o, 22+ yrs with the company, on reserve, not by choice.
I wish he'd have told us how he really felt
Next question, how would someone have gotten access to this if it was comments on a alpa survey?
06-17-2010, 08:39 AM
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Position: Urban chicken rancher.
Posts: 6,070
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Next question, how would someone have gotten access to this if it was comments on a alpa survey?
I think we could all write a similar story if we had the time or the inclination. I choose to accept things as they are and move on. I lost approximately 45% on my category in LA as well. I'm five years older then he is and now will probably never see the left seat.
I'd rather see the glass half full.
06-17-2010, 08:43 AM
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Urban chicken rancher.
Posts: 6,070
Originally Posted by johnso29
Buzz,
ACL nailed it. You really don't ever HAVE to answer your phone, and you only have to do the 1500 check coming off a day off. Plus, 1500 is the EARLIEST you have to check it. Although if they assign you a trip in the morning and you haven't checked it by 1500 it's likely they will give you a courtesy call just to make sure you know it's on there.
ACL nailed it. You really don't ever HAVE to answer your phone, and you only have to do the 1500 check coming off a day off. Plus, 1500 is the EARLIEST you have to check it. Although if they assign you a trip in the morning and you haven't checked it by 1500 it's likely they will give you a courtesy call just to make sure you know it's on there.
Thanks for edu-macating me.
06-17-2010, 08:59 AM
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Posts: 12,109
Originally Posted by keenster
Got this emailed to me. For those of you who think the fNWA guys are all happy here is a comment that went to ALPA on their survey.
Subject: my reply to the alpa survey at the end in the comments section
Comments-
I am a former "North" pilot and I live in Atlanta. My wife is a "real" Delta F/A. You would think I/we would be thrilled with the merger. Well, sorry to say, not true.
My facts: In the past year:
1) My quality of life has gone way down.
2) The stress in my life has gone way up.
3) My paycheck is down.
I could end it right there but, since you want “additional comments”, here goes...
My opinions:
For me, this merger of the, "were going to take the best of both airlines and blend into one great airline..." turned into a great big force feeding / one more loving spoon full... for the NWA pilot group.
I see it as a failure of ALPA. ALPA Nation, DAL & NWA. My union has totally failed me.
I have to start with the seniority list.
"Ratio"...? The "ratio" track was only good on day 1 of the merger. Look at where my "ratio" will be in 10 yrs and where it should be. Sorry, I got screwed along with a large % of NWA pilots. My June 2010 SS# is 4,5xx. The DAL guy hired the same day as me, #2,6xx. (I’ll do the math for you, that’s 1,870#’s) I’m almost 49 yrs old. That is a huge disparity, forever. In no way did I expect to come in to this merger and bump him (#2,6xx) out of his position, but in no uncertain terms do I think it’s fair that he should always, for the rest of my career and his, have that kind of super-seniority to me. Especially, when most of the retirements in the next 8+/- yrs are former NWA pilots. My chance to move up the list, have holidays off with my family, enjoy seniority and earn money to support my family is gone. Forever! The career expectations I had when I was hired for NWA and have had for the last 22+ yrs. Gone. Forever. Do you get/understand that? This seniority list will cost me a million dollars in lost promotions, and many lost holidays with my family over the rest of my career. Thank you ALPA. If I could leave APLA tomorrow, I would.
I blame DAL (Moak) & National (Prater) ALPA 100%. I believe they were in bed with Richard Andreson, and the merger team the whole way. The "dynamic list" or DOH (with fences) was the best, true ALPA choice. But, guess what, not the best choice for DAL pilots or Anderson. So, look at what we got.
The whole company will be merged, date of hire, except the two pilot groups (the only union on the property). What am I missing here?
Ok, now, let's forget the seniority list and look at the rest of the "blending". How did that go? 80%- 20% DAL ALPA format. 85%-15%??? From the small to the big...
Contract, scheduling, work rules, all manuals, Log books, fuel slips, bidding, check-list, all cockpit procedures, how to fly the jet, scheduling, how to take your crew rest on a trans-pac, work rules, IT, sopa, smac, AOM., FOM, work rules, COM, QRM and everything in between. (did I say scheduling and work rules?) Oh, and I love the fact that I can't view my crews “take-off and landing currency” when I sign-in for a trip because I'm "not a captain".... ha! that’s beautiful! Pure Delta. And the conversion to the DAL flt planning/paper work. I think the quote on the Delta web site said “smooth/seamless”…Ha!.. One place, right place. BS. The list goes on and on…
Of course, let’s not forget the “phase” training program. I really loved the whole…, we (delta) will "train you" (nwa pilot) on-line. How easy is that!!! You guys just watch this video on your home computer and, poof! Your good to go!... Just forget all you have done for the past 20+ yrs in your job and go to work the next day and do it all different. No worries! Good on ya mate! Yeh-ha!!! Mash the button!
So, as I slowly watch all the former NWA pilot/managers get “retired” and replaced by DAL boys. All I can think about is the phrase I saw on the bathroom wall in the Atlanta pilot crew room…”It’s time for the Visine treatment… lets get the RED out”…
As my friend, Parri “scrappy” Olmstead (then ALPA sched committee chairman and now our negotiating chairman) told me… "[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I understand your frustration and had NWA acquired Delta I would probably be in your boat…but it was the other way around. It is what it is and sometimes it is better to accept what you have no control over and move on[/font]…”
I’m am so glad Parri is my Negotaiting chairman, I’m really sure he is on my team. Yeah! Go ALPA! Go Parri!
So.. “Howgozit??
In my opinion, not too good on my side of the ledger. It’s kind of like a big, fat “zit” on my a**.
I have one more question for you. Do you think it would “flush” if the head of the 777 program “retired” and was replaced by the head of the 747 program??? Howgozit…….
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave and, lets “get the red out”.
Is there is a little frustration, stress and anger in my life right now. Take a guess.
Am I happy with ALPA? Take a guess.
I am glad you asked for “additional comments” in your survey? Take a guess.
DTW 747 f/o, 22+ yrs with the company, on reserve, not by choice.
Subject: my reply to the alpa survey at the end in the comments section
Comments-
I am a former "North" pilot and I live in Atlanta. My wife is a "real" Delta F/A. You would think I/we would be thrilled with the merger. Well, sorry to say, not true.
My facts: In the past year:
1) My quality of life has gone way down.
2) The stress in my life has gone way up.
3) My paycheck is down.
I could end it right there but, since you want “additional comments”, here goes...
My opinions:
For me, this merger of the, "were going to take the best of both airlines and blend into one great airline..." turned into a great big force feeding / one more loving spoon full... for the NWA pilot group.
I see it as a failure of ALPA. ALPA Nation, DAL & NWA. My union has totally failed me.
I have to start with the seniority list.
"Ratio"...? The "ratio" track was only good on day 1 of the merger. Look at where my "ratio" will be in 10 yrs and where it should be. Sorry, I got screwed along with a large % of NWA pilots. My June 2010 SS# is 4,5xx. The DAL guy hired the same day as me, #2,6xx. (I’ll do the math for you, that’s 1,870#’s) I’m almost 49 yrs old. That is a huge disparity, forever. In no way did I expect to come in to this merger and bump him (#2,6xx) out of his position, but in no uncertain terms do I think it’s fair that he should always, for the rest of my career and his, have that kind of super-seniority to me. Especially, when most of the retirements in the next 8+/- yrs are former NWA pilots. My chance to move up the list, have holidays off with my family, enjoy seniority and earn money to support my family is gone. Forever! The career expectations I had when I was hired for NWA and have had for the last 22+ yrs. Gone. Forever. Do you get/understand that? This seniority list will cost me a million dollars in lost promotions, and many lost holidays with my family over the rest of my career. Thank you ALPA. If I could leave APLA tomorrow, I would.
I blame DAL (Moak) & National (Prater) ALPA 100%. I believe they were in bed with Richard Andreson, and the merger team the whole way. The "dynamic list" or DOH (with fences) was the best, true ALPA choice. But, guess what, not the best choice for DAL pilots or Anderson. So, look at what we got.
The whole company will be merged, date of hire, except the two pilot groups (the only union on the property). What am I missing here?
Ok, now, let's forget the seniority list and look at the rest of the "blending". How did that go? 80%- 20% DAL ALPA format. 85%-15%??? From the small to the big...
Contract, scheduling, work rules, all manuals, Log books, fuel slips, bidding, check-list, all cockpit procedures, how to fly the jet, scheduling, how to take your crew rest on a trans-pac, work rules, IT, sopa, smac, AOM., FOM, work rules, COM, QRM and everything in between. (did I say scheduling and work rules?) Oh, and I love the fact that I can't view my crews “take-off and landing currency” when I sign-in for a trip because I'm "not a captain".... ha! that’s beautiful! Pure Delta. And the conversion to the DAL flt planning/paper work. I think the quote on the Delta web site said “smooth/seamless”…Ha!.. One place, right place. BS. The list goes on and on…
Of course, let’s not forget the “phase” training program. I really loved the whole…, we (delta) will "train you" (nwa pilot) on-line. How easy is that!!! You guys just watch this video on your home computer and, poof! Your good to go!... Just forget all you have done for the past 20+ yrs in your job and go to work the next day and do it all different. No worries! Good on ya mate! Yeh-ha!!! Mash the button!
So, as I slowly watch all the former NWA pilot/managers get “retired” and replaced by DAL boys. All I can think about is the phrase I saw on the bathroom wall in the Atlanta pilot crew room…”It’s time for the Visine treatment… lets get the RED out”…
As my friend, Parri “scrappy” Olmstead (then ALPA sched committee chairman and now our negotiating chairman) told me… "[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I understand your frustration and had NWA acquired Delta I would probably be in your boat…but it was the other way around. It is what it is and sometimes it is better to accept what you have no control over and move on[/font]…”
I’m am so glad Parri is my Negotaiting chairman, I’m really sure he is on my team. Yeah! Go ALPA! Go Parri!
So.. “Howgozit??
In my opinion, not too good on my side of the ledger. It’s kind of like a big, fat “zit” on my a**.
I have one more question for you. Do you think it would “flush” if the head of the 777 program “retired” and was replaced by the head of the 747 program??? Howgozit…….
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave and, lets “get the red out”.
Is there is a little frustration, stress and anger in my life right now. Take a guess.
Am I happy with ALPA? Take a guess.
I am glad you asked for “additional comments” in your survey? Take a guess.
DTW 747 f/o, 22+ yrs with the company, on reserve, not by choice.
How long are you gonna keep dredging this up?
06-17-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
My targeting number is below the basic DAL South DC right now. I would have come out better just dumping the targeting plan as part of the joint contract. Did not get any credit for furlough time for the targeting so my number is based on early retirement at age 60 even though the retirement age was changed to 65 just after that. My targeting was going to increase in the later years of the plan, just beyond the point where it is going to "Sunset" and be discontinued. Oh well, I guess timing is everything...
Not trying to whine or start anything, just pointing out that some of us did not get the "great deal" that people think we did.
Not trying to whine or start anything, just pointing out that some of us did not get the "great deal" that people think we did.
I really hope DALPA does the right thing and fixes the longevity/DC issue to match everyone else. After all, we are in unity......right?
06-17-2010, 09:08 AM
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Posts: 602
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Waves, I was just commenting to someone about you. I was wondering where you had run off to. Glad to see ya back on here.
P.S. 1) I hope I didn't stir the pot again asking about the frozen pension thing. It was just something I didn't remember much about and was wondering about. So far I've gotten about three different answers. Ha
P.S. 2) I wasn't the one who dredged this seniority stuff up again, BUT, I still don't agree with most of the seniority fuss here like this alleged ALPA survey guy. As a DAL South guy, I didn't move up one number in my seat, and I certainly don't expect to anytime soon. I crunched the seniority numbers right after the merger and percentage wise I stayed exactly the same within .02 percentile. So did all of my friends as well. I was actually quite surprised at how close I ended up to my original spot. With the Pan Am merger, it took me 2 years just to get my original DOH seniority number back. With Pan Am we integrated 752 pilots into the seniority list only to rapidly sell off their junky airplanes. Nice huh?
As I posted many months ago, and recalling from memory, only about 350 DAL guys retired early, not the 1500 the NWA's negotiating team indicated. To compensate, ALPA stapled something like 275 NWA's guys to the very top of the list, so this big NWA's pilot retirement windfall to the DAL south guys just doesn't exist.
News flash for this survey guy: EVERYONE'S quality of life has gone down. EVERYONE'S stress has gone up. EVERYONE'S paycheck has gone down. This guy apparently hasn't been paying attention to current events. The entire airline industry has been in the toilet for the past ten years. The merger didn't cause this, the economy, Leo Mullin, and the simultaneous dual bankruptcy did.
Last edited by Waves; 06-17-2010 at 09:44 AM.
06-17-2010, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I feel your pain. As a NWA 08 hire I get 6% to my 401K while a flow up at the end of this year will get 10%. Not to mention his longevity will be determined by DOH while mine is some random date that DAL got to determine for their convient 'net zero'. Oh, and I couldn't even vote on the JCBA so I just got the crap sandwich shoved down my throat not to mention the hundreds of procedure changes.
I really hope DALPA does the right thing and fixes the longevity/DC issue to match everyone else. After all, we are in unity......right?
I really hope DALPA does the right thing and fixes the longevity/DC issue to match everyone else. After all, we are in unity......right?
06-17-2010, 09:19 AM
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FWIW, the dispatchers were ratioed in as well. They were not DOH.
06-17-2010, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
FWIW, the dispatchers were ratioed in as well. They were not DOH.
06-17-2010, 09:27 AM
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Well this little squatting match will probably get is 50 pages. Lets get divisive right as we head in to the most important PWA negotiating cycle.
Also, just to point out the SLI was arbitrated, not agreed to. It was a third party that gave two hoots about you and I. Their were "impartial" and we got their point of view.
FWIW, F-DAL pilots like myself have moved down too, and a lot. I am one of the luckier ones that I am clinging on to my seat, but many have not. It was not one seat but two or three. I do not complain, why? It is over. I have moved on, and realize that we need to focus on tomorrows battles and no try to rehash ones that are in the history books. We can fix some things, but there is a lot that is what it is.
Want to fix the DC, write your reps and every LEC rep every day. Make it an issue that gains consensus. It has been explained on here why it is the way it is, and it appears that is not acceptable, so force your leadership to work for you.
Also, blaming ALPA for the SLI is short sighted. WE the pilots of DAL agreed and ratified the JPWA and the TFA. We are to responsible for what we have.
Also, just to point out the SLI was arbitrated, not agreed to. It was a third party that gave two hoots about you and I. Their were "impartial" and we got their point of view.
FWIW, F-DAL pilots like myself have moved down too, and a lot. I am one of the luckier ones that I am clinging on to my seat, but many have not. It was not one seat but two or three. I do not complain, why? It is over. I have moved on, and realize that we need to focus on tomorrows battles and no try to rehash ones that are in the history books. We can fix some things, but there is a lot that is what it is.
Want to fix the DC, write your reps and every LEC rep every day. Make it an issue that gains consensus. It has been explained on here why it is the way it is, and it appears that is not acceptable, so force your leadership to work for you.
Also, blaming ALPA for the SLI is short sighted. WE the pilots of DAL agreed and ratified the JPWA and the TFA. We are to responsible for what we have.
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