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10-23-2010, 06:07 PM
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I actually liked having the ability to add up to 3 or subtract up to 2 pax without getting a new AWABS. Now.......what happens when the agent tells you a pax count, you push, then get the AWABS and the pax count does not jibe with what the agent told you? Happened to me on Thursday. Fortunately we were pretty full. Had the FA's count the empty seats and found the AWABS was correct.
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10-23-2010, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
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C) Did I miss something btw, a LCA said you "technically" had to go in order with the checklist... so are we technically not allowed to do the performance check prior to push even if we have the numbers early and are still boarding and just sitting there doing nothing but posting on this foru... I mean reviewing the green pages again?
C) Did I miss something btw, a LCA said you "technically" had to go in order with the checklist... so are we technically not allowed to do the performance check prior to push even if we have the numbers early and are still boarding and just sitting there doing nothing but posting on this foru... I mean reviewing the green pages again?
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10-23-2010, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
FTB;
You get your numbers plug em in. If you do a taxi checklist and then get new numbers redo the performance and taxi checklists again. Complete the required tasks and then run the checklists in order.
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The whole point of the assumed flap setting is to get you do move out on the taxiway and not sit on the ramp or at the gate waiting for numbers. Just wait for the AWABS then do the performace checklist and then the taxi checklist. Repeat as necessary. We have gotten two AWABS and most after a taxi checklist, so we redo the performance, run the performance checklist and then the taxi checklist again. Easy Peasy.
You get your numbers plug em in. If you do a taxi checklist and then get new numbers redo the performance and taxi checklists again. Complete the required tasks and then run the checklists in order.
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Q5
The whole point of the assumed flap setting is to get you do move out on the taxiway and not sit on the ramp or at the gate waiting for numbers. Just wait for the AWABS then do the performace checklist and then the taxi checklist. Repeat as necessary. We have gotten two AWABS and most after a taxi checklist, so we redo the performance, run the performance checklist and then the taxi checklist again. Easy Peasy.
10-23-2010, 06:15 PM
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Sam; correct. That is the verification.
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10-23-2010, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
Yes, you can plug everything in but according to Standards you can't run the checklist until after engine start while you are stopped. Running the CL requires the Captain to look at the AWABS and verify the entries. I agree that it would be more expeditious to run the CL at the gate if you have the AWABS.
10-23-2010, 06:24 PM
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You guys been getting full flights like I have? Q 4 is shaping up to be a decent one.
10-23-2010, 06:25 PM
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No you can opt to run the performance checklist when you are stopped waiting for a taxi out clearance, money line, or holding short of a taxiway. The parking bake just needs to be on when the Captain is heads down verifying the numbers. Not rocket science.
10-23-2010, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
This means that every single airplane must stop after every single push. Dumb, dumb, dumb if you have time to do it in the chocks.
Just because some LCA says something, doesn't make it policy. They have to be able to back that up in writing. Does anyone know where it might be stated in writing?
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10-23-2010, 06:36 PM
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Carl, they say that you can do the performance at the gate if it comes while parked. It was in the video. It just cannot delay pushback.
10-23-2010, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, they say that you can do the performance at the gate if it comes while parked. It was in the video. It just cannot delay pushback.
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