acl65pilot

Silly little thing about this merger. All the hype etc about it allowed the financial community to have faith in the new airline and as a result allowed it to restructure its debt in the worst credit crunch in the history of the modern world.
So I ask, where do you think either company would be without that credit we got at 8 to 9 percent and change?

I can list what we refinanced, but the simple fact is that this along with the integration saved many jobs, and not just pilot jobs. Growth will heal many of the wounds, and lets pray to God that we see the growth that the are talking about in the investor calls. (Just a little over a year ago they were cutting by the same percentages)

Sink r8

We agree. I'm certain those managment types have some very good ideas. There are a lot of very smart people that will have to give up things they held dear, intellectually and emotionally. It ain't easy giving up a big part of your identity. And a lot more of that kind of change will occur on your side than mine. While that's painful, I hope the result is a big group that knows what it is, and where it's going, not two ****ed-off groups with an identity crisis.

Regards,

Sink r8

Nosmo King

Two observations and then buzz can try and blame me for starting the current food fight.

Survey Comments.

Keenster is not seniority 45xx, it was not his response on the ALPA survey, he said it was emailed to him, presumably by the pilot that did the survey. Sailing is responding as though it was keensters complaint, it's not. For buzz's benefit, it's not mine either, I don't fly the 747.

Procedures.

I'm sure someone will correct this, but I believe Delta used to use procedures and manuals a lot more similar to fNW until the lawyers did their bullshi* thing and recommended the move to Boeing standard. I seem to recall DAL either buying or at least thinking of buying SOPA, SMAC and other stuff from fNW after the Dallas 727 accident? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

I have been hearing RUMORS that split checklists will be going away soon. After the 87 DTW accident fNW spent megabucks and hired a firm to analyze what changes would make things safer and possibly prevent a repeat incident.

Top two recommendations out of that study?

No split checklists.

Each pilot should do the exact same thing procedurally on every flight. As few variations as possible. (SOPA/SMAC)

My $.02

Crystal ball prediction. In 2 or 3 years we will be MUCH closer to fNW procedures than we are now.

Nosmo King

Look at the 744 rotations for June. Only 21% of the rotations are shorter than 10 days in length. 135 is a guaranteed line IF he had no other credit on his line that would allow him to bid one of the 79% of rotations of 10 days or longer. If he had even a moderate amount of credit on his schedule for June, and all the short trips were gone before PBS got to his bid, he would end up with no rotations that would get him within the "ALV window" which means --- Reserve.

Waves

Nosmo and shiz: This 747 reserve thing looks like a pure case of PBS-itis. One of the biggest quality of life and pay cuts we ever got rammed down our throats was PBS. They didn’t put the BS on the acronym for nothing. Two important issues we desperately need to address in 2012 are PBS and the vacation bank. The vacation bank is a huge win for the company and a huge loss for us. PBS is also a major hit to us financially. Secondly, it allows the company no accountability as to how trips are awarded. The FA’s system is even worse. When the FA’s schedules come out, if there isn’t enough time on their lines, they just tack a little two day trip in there after the fact. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started doing that to us as well. PBS sucks!

jabwmu

My comment wasn't personal, it was just how I read it. If that wasn't accurate then please enlighten me. What are your motives? What do you mean by "focus on the difference between where you've been, and where you are?" You do realize there are sections in our contract that specifically exclude FNWA 07/08 pilots. Do you think this should be fixed or swept under the rug because it effects less than 200 pilots?

I've also never been called smug nor cute. I guess I could be called worse. The way I read your post it comes across that you're saying I should be happy to be at Delta. I was happy at Northwest. I will be happier with Delta when we are treated equally.

johnso29

Well that's what I'm looking for, for it to be fixed before the next contract. I don't think the dysfunction that was the NWA MEC cared, as I was told that DOH was secured for us and then taken away after the talks broke down. This has been discredited by several people, so why would they lie to us?

If we are to move forward, to be one the this needs to be fixed before the next contract. This is not about DAL vs. NWA, this about a small group of DAL pilots being paid a B scale compared to all other DAL pilots. We don't get a penny of a pension, we had no input or ability to vote on it, and it needs to be fixed if we are to move forward as one.

I just want people who AREN'T effected by it to be aware of it, and think about what it would be like if they were in our shoes.



How is it a short lived problem? It lasts for all of my longevity raises, as well as for my DC contributions. This is NOT a DAL vs. NWA issue, this is about getting us all on a level playing field so we can move forward as one. I'm not trying to divide anyone, but rather bring it to other people's attention so that we can ensure it's corrected NLT then the next contract. Did you even know that I only get 6% vs 10%? Did you even read that part of the TA before you voted for it? I'd venture to say no, since it was a NWA issue and not a DAL issue.

If it effected you, how would you feel about it? Are you willing to help get it changed, or will you continue to tell me to get over it since it doesn't effect you? Are you willing to help us move forward together as one, where we are all on a level field?

buzzpat

What's really funny is that Keenster posts an email, probably from a buddy, and then sits back and watches the fur fly. Probably cracking a beer or two. Nice Keenster!

iceman49

PBS does suck, especially the way its currently structured...I believe it all depends on what has been programmed into it. Please can we get PBS to go slower.

johnso29

IMO, there is no denying that the merger was for the better. It saved a lot of jobs, and put us waaaaay ahead of the game. I'm happy with it, but some things need to be changed.