Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-03-2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL330drvr
I don't know but I doubt it, however, if he's still here and gets me a GOOD contract and on time, then we can all say that he truly cared about DAL pilots and this profession. If he chooses to run for ALPA National, then we will confirm what many have always thought, that it was always about LM and not the DAL pilots. Only time will tell!
At any rate, this isn't about Moak, but about the MEC. And yes, you probably want a charismatic person as the front-man, and no, you probably can't be the Chairman if you don't have an oversized ego. But again, this is about having a forward-thinking MEC, and well-run, effective committees. So, both at the MEC level, and in terms of the Chairman, you want to see an intelligent, effective team continue. Not just star players rise and fall. Malone should have learned from this, and rested on the accomplishment of C2K, with his legacy intact.
I don't know if Lee would/should leave before or after being tested with the 2012 contract, but I don't think it matters, if we have a good team in place. So I think it will healthy to see Moak move on, and I'd love to see him replace Prater. We definitely can't afford any more Prater, and an unknown replacement might be even woerth.
07-03-2010, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Delta just freed up 450 million so see where they put that to use.
07-03-2010, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by freightguy
I like the way you think. I too believe DAL will surprise us. DAL has unspent smoney from the JAL/ slot swap issues. They have more than just a plan A or B.
07-03-2010, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
Which was exactly my point in response to LGA isn't going anywhere ( I wasn't referring to the destinations).
LGA may not being going anywhere, but US Airways sure could, be it thru a merger, a deal from another airline, or tits up.
As shown by the lawsuit I don't think we'll be sitting around waiting for new government.
LGA may not being going anywhere, but US Airways sure could, be it thru a merger, a deal from another airline, or tits up.
As shown by the lawsuit I don't think we'll be sitting around waiting for new government.
We are just speculating of course, but if US had wanted to sell the slots, they could have already done so. The D.O.T. preconditions involve selling slots... perhaps they know that if they sell LGA slots to SWA, we will respond in kind in DC. I can't blame them for not wanting to give in to SWA, having done so before only to find them knocking at the gates again. An appeal will take time, and this may extend into a post election scenario, whatever those results may be. Either way, DL is doing what they can, but I'm glad to see that rash decisions are not being made. US will hang on as is, nobody wants anything to do with the SLI mess, and they have a market to keep them alive until a more pro business environment returns. In the meantime, NY'ers will see how they have been caught in the middle and if true to form will hardly stay silent on the issue. Who knows... nothing is ever completely dead in this business.
07-03-2010, 11:12 AM
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forgot to bid,
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
07-03-2010, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
fly, I'd say the flowback helped save junior pilots from being furloughed. I think a lot was in play there with economic uncertainty and subsequent company planning, the union and flight ops plus the cost of the flowback that helped, imho, cement the don't furlough plan.
As to how the elimination of the flowback affects senior pilots, I don't think it does. I think only growth or reduction in DCI affects senior pilots.
And you have no idea how much I tried to ensure I had the right affect/effect here. Geeish.
As to how the elimination of the flowback affects senior pilots, I don't think it does. I think only growth or reduction in DCI affects senior pilots.
And you have no idea how much I tried to ensure I had the right affect/effect here. Geeish.
Originally Posted by fly2002
forgot to bid,
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
Did you do it too? I didn't even notice. Its funny, I read the word and don't care whether its right or not. But somebody will point it out if I keep doing it too much, such as when I don't use loose and lose right. Affect is to influence, effect is what happened, right?!? I seriously looked at it for 30 minutes trying to get it. 
At least I haven't said "cut off your nose to spider face."
07-03-2010, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fly2002
forgot to bid,
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
I apologize if my use of affect/effect was wrong. I was seriously wondering that as I typed it. Perhaps my wife should have proof read my post. I'm in complete agreement that the flowback helped cement (or hold onto at least) my job on the lower lower half of the list. I just wanted to convey that pilots flowing off the property WOULD touch all those on the list, not just the junior. A flowback would surely lead to stagnation for those guys/gals halfway up the list eyeing an upgrade or clawing for a line in a catagory. That was my only point.
Have a great 4th of July weekend,
fly
Enjoy the Fourth and remember our Troops! (They are the reason we can sit here and whine about this stuff)
07-03-2010, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
All,
We are just speculating of course, but if US had wanted to sell the slots, they could have already done so. The D.O.T. preconditions involve selling slots... perhaps they know that if they sell LGA slots to SWA, we will respond in kind in DC. I can't blame them for not wanting to give in to SWA, having done so before only to find them knocking at the gates again. An appeal will take time, and this may extend into a post election scenario, whatever those results may be. Either way, DL is doing what they can, but I'm glad to see that rash decisions are not being made. US will hang on as is, nobody wants anything to do with the SLI mess, and they have a market to keep them alive until a more pro business environment returns. In the meantime, NY'ers will see how they have been caught in the middle and if true to form will hardly stay silent on the issue. Who knows... nothing is ever completely dead in this business.
We are just speculating of course, but if US had wanted to sell the slots, they could have already done so. The D.O.T. preconditions involve selling slots... perhaps they know that if they sell LGA slots to SWA, we will respond in kind in DC. I can't blame them for not wanting to give in to SWA, having done so before only to find them knocking at the gates again. An appeal will take time, and this may extend into a post election scenario, whatever those results may be. Either way, DL is doing what they can, but I'm glad to see that rash decisions are not being made. US will hang on as is, nobody wants anything to do with the SLI mess, and they have a market to keep them alive until a more pro business environment returns. In the meantime, NY'ers will see how they have been caught in the middle and if true to form will hardly stay silent on the issue. Who knows... nothing is ever completely dead in this business.
07-03-2010, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Very well put.
Enjoy the Fourth and remember our Troops! (They are the reason we can sit here and whine about this stuff)
Enjoy the Fourth and remember our Troops! (They are the reason we can sit here and whine about this stuff)
07-03-2010, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I wonder with the non-acquisition of slots, if the company will just make up for it with less frequency and bigger airplanes. I see a lot of the NYC ER trips are starting out of LGA now. Or, is that something they do every summer?
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