Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-17-2010, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Not just the 320 and not just FO's...
Must be time for a Carl and PG show!
Must be time for a Carl and PG show!
Are you sure you want to start that?
07-17-2010, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Hey, are your powers diminished as the DC-9-30's are parked, or are they transferrable on an AE to the MD88/90? CLMP, FTB? I need newK guidance!
Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye, all persons of this thread are commanded to hereby sit in witness of the case of Newk's Powers vs. an AE.
The Self Appointed Chair, me, recognizes and punts to 80ktsclamp to decide the fate of Newk's powers.
In the meantime, the Chair, me, hereby proclaims that in my humble opinion that if Newk were to swap to the DC-9-88, (see pic below)
that the DC-9-88 would be all the better for it.
(Artist rendition of NewK flying the 88 in a holding pattern)
Originally Posted by newKnow
Slow,
My powers come from 80 and forgot. I think as the DC-9 fleet shrinks, they will allow them to increase, because of the increased nostalgia. I don't think the powers are transferable, because there are tons of 88's and 90's. Plus, they have glass AND an autopilot with altitude capture. But, I would guess that 88 drivers out of LGA, would be the next coolest thing. (Short runways, NYC congestion.)
As for my forecast, I see increased hiring. With the airplanes they are to pull out of the desert, and the 73N's and 777's and 90's coming on board, I don't see how they can't keep going. My buds on the 320 A side are getting slammed and it's starting to trickle down to the -9. But, it seems as though you are saying this is a yearly thing and relief is in sight by September. I will will let them know before they jump off a bridge.
Finally, I am a typical pilot. I have three rental properties that are kicking my butt, that I got to replace my pension, because I "knew" I would make money in real estate. I advise you don't listen to anything I predict, as far as economics go.
New K Now
(Looking for guidance from clamp and 80 too, so I can still be cool.)
My powers come from 80 and forgot. I think as the DC-9 fleet shrinks, they will allow them to increase, because of the increased nostalgia. I don't think the powers are transferable, because there are tons of 88's and 90's. Plus, they have glass AND an autopilot with altitude capture. But, I would guess that 88 drivers out of LGA, would be the next coolest thing. (Short runways, NYC congestion.)
As for my forecast, I see increased hiring. With the airplanes they are to pull out of the desert, and the 73N's and 777's and 90's coming on board, I don't see how they can't keep going. My buds on the 320 A side are getting slammed and it's starting to trickle down to the -9. But, it seems as though you are saying this is a yearly thing and relief is in sight by September. I will will let them know before they jump off a bridge.
Finally, I am a typical pilot. I have three rental properties that are kicking my butt, that I got to replace my pension, because I "knew" I would make money in real estate. I advise you don't listen to anything I predict, as far as economics go.
New K Now
(Looking for guidance from clamp and 80 too, so I can still be cool.)
This will be an interesting AE I think because the dust has mostly settled and now instead of gambling into a new category we all have a better idea of whats going on and I'm sure planning is really wanting to see how things shake out so that they can, uh, plan. Can I get the understatement award or something here?
Originally Posted by slowplay
I think what they're telling you is that they think November/December will be real busy (look at the dates of the fare sale for guidance) and they'll need some of the August/September pilots to operate the holidays. My guess is the rest are around to support the 270 day training pipeline for inreased 757/767, A320, and MD88/90 conversions on the next AE. If the economy and our industry continue to recover, we will still be understaffed and need to hire more. If it doesn't, then we'll see a less dramatic version of the hiring shutdown in 2008.
I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.
I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.
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07-17-2010, 10:07 AM
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I think the MD-90 would be puddy in the hands of Newk...
Just like women are in the capable hands of Carl Spackler...
And this stuff is in the hands of FTB...
Just like women are in the capable hands of Carl Spackler...
And this stuff is in the hands of FTB...
07-17-2010, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I think what they're telling you is that they think November/December will be real busy (look at the dates of the fare sale for guidance) and they'll need some of the August/September pilots to operate the holidays. My guess is the rest are around to support the 270 day training pipeline for inreased 757/767, A320, and MD88/90 conversions on the next AE. If the economy and our industry continue to recover, we will still be understaffed and need to hire more. If it doesn't, then we'll see a less dramatic version of the hiring shutdown in 2008.
I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.
I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.
I agree that it will be busy, but offering a fare sale for that portion is sign of revenue weakness during that portion of the fall.
I do hope the economy keeps improving. I know that in some of the base visits they have been stating that they wanted to wait and see which way the economy went to commit to any further guidance on hiring.
That said, it seems the narrowbody fleets have broke and the GS's are flowing. I see a lot of Rolling Thunder. No quite yet, on the Wide bodies.
I am all for being staffed correctly.
07-17-2010, 11:31 AM
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Got a pay question for anyone who knows. On your Time Card in iCrew there is a Pay Time column and a Credit column. Are we supposed to be paid by the hours in the Pay Time column (which seems like the obvious answer) or the time in the Credit column? Up until now, both numbers have always been the same but on my most recent check, the Pay time was 81 hours but the Credit time was only 70.9 hours and that's the amount I was paid for. Seems like they may have made a mistake. Anybody?
07-17-2010, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I agree that it will be busy, but offering a fare sale for that portion is sign of revenue weakness during that portion of the fall.
07-17-2010, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PropNWA
Got a pay question for anyone who knows. On your Time Card in iCrew there is a Pay Time column and a Credit column. Are we supposed to be paid by the hours in the Pay Time column (which seems like the obvious answer) or the time in the Credit column? Up until now, both numbers have always been the same but on my most recent check, the Pay time was 81 hours but the Credit time was only 70.9 hours and that's the amount I was paid for. Seems like they may have made a mistake. Anybody?
07-17-2010, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
The sale has blackout dates, but is basically systemwide September 1-November 17. We will be busy after that, which is nice!
I know. We will be busy after that. Always are.
07-17-2010, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yeah, fall is always slow.
I think what he meant in a subtle way was that when airlines are profitable, future fares are raised because lack of capacity allows you to squeeze the consumer.
In this case the airline is going to have a profit but announced a fare sale indicating weakness going forward. Airlines are a leading indicator typically of economic slowdown.
IOW lets not all get bullish on the economy.
Or I could be reading in too much,but this is what I came up with on my own.
07-17-2010, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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I think what he meant in a subtle way was that when airlines are profitable, future fares are raised because lack of capacity allows you to squeeze the consumer.
In this case the airline is going to have a profit but announced a fare sale indicating weakness going forward. Airlines are a leading indicator typically of economic slowdown.
IOW lets not all get bullish on the economy.
Or I could be reading in too much,but this is what I came up with on my own.
I think what he meant in a subtle way was that when airlines are profitable, future fares are raised because lack of capacity allows you to squeeze the consumer.
In this case the airline is going to have a profit but announced a fare sale indicating weakness going forward. Airlines are a leading indicator typically of economic slowdown.
IOW lets not all get bullish on the economy.
Or I could be reading in too much,but this is what I came up with on my own.
That is what I was referencing. A fare sale in mid-July for the balance of the fall it, interesting to say the least.
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