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08-17-2010 | 06:19 AM
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In my limited experience with the bus, you don't have to necessarily be early, just aggressive. I came into DTW late the other night, around 130K. Did 250KIAS until 8 mi out, then went managed speed, gear down, full boards, and dropped the flaps on speed, and it worked out great. Maybe it worked because we didn't have a Vapp of 123KIAS in a 319 with crummy AT. 
It was a smooth as glass evening, and that helps a lot. You really have to be careful in turbulent, gusty conditions as to not overspeed the flaps. Truth is, you just have to be aggressive or you won't make it.
It was a smooth as glass evening, and that helps a lot. You really have to be careful in turbulent, gusty conditions as to not overspeed the flaps. Truth is, you just have to be aggressive or you won't make it.
I certainly wouldn't recommend that as the norm. Was the Capt giving you those little hints like hand twitching? Hope we can fly together, I'd like to see that decel, descend maneuver
08-17-2010 | 06:20 AM
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FTB,
All I can say is that ALL DC-9 are hot when the surface temperatures are in the upper 80's and above. Like 88 said, you have to stay in front of them and cool the cabin on approach and you MUST get ground air to go along with the APU. Even then, with APU and ground air, normally that just keeps the cabin down to the luke-warm status. On normal hot summer days, as a DC-9 driver, you are only cool when 1.) you are in the terminal or, 2.) above FL 180.
The fixes I have seen on the -9 are the shields for the cockpit windows and the window shades being pulled down and gaspers opened int he main cabin. Other than those, I don't know what we can do.
The few -88's I have been on this summer had no heat/cooling issues that I noticed. But, maybe that was because I had just gotten off a DC-9.
I wonder how the MD-90's are with cooling.....
All I can say is that ALL DC-9 are hot when the surface temperatures are in the upper 80's and above. Like 88 said, you have to stay in front of them and cool the cabin on approach and you MUST get ground air to go along with the APU. Even then, with APU and ground air, normally that just keeps the cabin down to the luke-warm status. On normal hot summer days, as a DC-9 driver, you are only cool when 1.) you are in the terminal or, 2.) above FL 180.
The fixes I have seen on the -9 are the shields for the cockpit windows and the window shades being pulled down and gaspers opened int he main cabin. Other than those, I don't know what we can do.
The few -88's I have been on this summer had no heat/cooling issues that I noticed. But, maybe that was because I had just gotten off a DC-9.
I wonder how the MD-90's are with cooling.....
08-17-2010 | 06:28 AM
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Johnso....250 till 8 out? using Marine math that put you at 2400' AGL. 1400' to slow down while descending on the glide slope. Your superior flying skills made that happen I certainly wouldn't recommend that as the norm. Was the Capt giving you those little hints like hand twitching?
Hope we can fly together, I'd like to see that decel, descend maneuver
I certainly wouldn't recommend that as the norm. Was the Capt giving you those little hints like hand twitching? Hope we can fly together, I'd like to see that decel, descend maneuver
Which actually worked if you were agressive and went idle power, gear down and put the flaps down on speed (no 10 below limit) and it worked. Of course, MTOW was at least 1/2 the ZFW of an empty mainline plane. But still that technique worked.
It usually caused the other pilot to snicker at you to see if you'd pull it off before 1000'.
08-17-2010 | 06:44 AM
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Johnso....250 till 8 out? using Marine math that put you at 2400' AGL. 1400' to slow down while descending on the glide slope. Your superior flying skills made that happen I certainly wouldn't recommend that as the norm. Was the Capt giving you those little hints like hand twitching?
Hope we can fly together, I'd like to see that decel, descend maneuver
I certainly wouldn't recommend that as the norm. Was the Capt giving you those little hints like hand twitching? Hope we can fly together, I'd like to see that decel, descend maneuver
Oh well I had been cleared for the visual 15 out so I dropped down to the minimum allowable altitude(2600ft I think so 2000 AGL)outside of the marker. This allowed me to keep the speed up, drop the gear right before GS intercept, and slow her down quickly. Let's say it worked out that time, but I certainly DON'T make it the norm.
I'm usually 170 KIAS Flaps 2 at the marker, then at 1700 AGL managed speed, gear down and flaps on speed. I only scare my CA's a little bit. When they start twitching is when I back off.
08-17-2010 | 07:34 AM
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08-17-2010 | 09:40 AM
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New? Care to explain?
80 found that and sent me the pic to post for him. From what I gather, he fell on the ground laughing for a long while after he snapped a quick pic. Now, I looked on line and found this:
http://www.newkscafe.com/
Hmm... how would your fanatical followers feel about you running a cafe? Like Ferd? Who probably started a biker bar or something.
80 found that and sent me the pic to post for him. From what I gather, he fell on the ground laughing for a long while after he snapped a quick pic. Now, I looked on line and found this:
http://www.newkscafe.com/
Hmm... how would your fanatical followers feel about you running a cafe? Like Ferd? Who probably started a biker bar or something.
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08-17-2010 | 09:53 AM
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OH WHAT THE H--- FERD? SERIOUSLY?
FTB is in a facepalm.
FTB is in a facepalm.
08-17-2010 | 09:56 AM
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Psssstttttttttttt
Did you flash your Momma D ID and ask to see "what's cook'en" in the back room?
I got the idea from NewK and don't even attempt to work the same parts of town.........don't let the "fresh faced" girl on NewKs web site fool ya. She cut ya.........at least at the Detroit location
Did you flash your Momma D ID and ask to see "what's cook'en" in the back room?
I got the idea from NewK and don't even attempt to work the same parts of town.........don't let the "fresh faced" girl on NewKs web site fool ya. She cut ya.........at least at the Detroit location
08-17-2010 | 10:31 AM
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Not really... a big percentage of Delta Dollars never get cashed in. FLights go out full.. the oversales get something (which they overwhelmingly never use) and everybody's (somewhat) happy. The statistic just gives the media and shumer more ammunition to beat up on the airlines...
08-17-2010 | 10:37 AM
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Or, if it's that heavy, you could just start both engines. 
There is a point where trying to SE taxi can be unsafe. Turning off essential systems to trick or by-pass the system is that point, for me.
I guess what I'm saying is that maybe we shouldn't be so gun-ho to be SE taxing in in every situation. You could cost the company more money than any amount of fuel you are trying to save.
(It's not a joke and I wish I could have found an image that didn't have "FAIL" on it. But, you get my point.)
But hey, I heard that this is a captains airline. So, you guys do what you want. I'll be rolling abound with two running in those situations where it's too heavy or too hot to SE taxi, even if it's close.
New K Now (Won't be pushing the envelope to SE taxi. But, I'll by the drinks to help you in your loss in profit sharing.)
There is a point where trying to SE taxi can be unsafe. Turning off essential systems to trick or by-pass the system is that point, for me.
I guess what I'm saying is that maybe we shouldn't be so gun-ho to be SE taxing in in every situation. You could cost the company more money than any amount of fuel you are trying to save.
(It's not a joke and I wish I could have found an image that didn't have "FAIL" on it. But, you get my point.)
But hey, I heard that this is a captains airline. So, you guys do what you want. I'll be rolling abound with two running in those situations where it's too heavy or too hot to SE taxi, even if it's close.
New K Now (Won't be pushing the envelope to SE taxi. But, I'll by the drinks to help you in your loss in profit sharing.)
Oh and as far as it being a "captain's airline" (whatever that means) answer this: which of the two former airlines' captains gives the choice of rest break to the pilot flying as opposed to himself? Which former airline had captains that did a bigger percentage of walkarounds? Shall I continue?
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