Fly4hire

My thoughts exactly - why not let pilots know where bases are going to be so we can plan our preferences accordingly instead of rolling the dice to find ourselves being displaced again. You think they'd be interested in this so as to minimize training costs.....

acl65pilot

I think that one thing you fail to realize is this. Flt Ops management takes their orders from Central Command (Executive Management). We are told what needs to be done, they come up with a plan, then execute it to meet those goals. They do not get to determine what a/c are purchased. Flt Ops will do an analysis that it gives to the money men, that is it. We can recommend an aircraft for the desired mission, but that is it.
What I am getting at is, we cannot effect change in how Scope is done. That is something that is negotiated between Executive management and the union. We has pilots though our union will be the ones that make the changes necessary, not the VP of Ops telling RA that he needs to do something.

acl65pilot

IMHO there have been controlled leaks and there will be more and the will be more definite as the time approaches. It was done this way to see where the winds were blowing with the ER base in CVG. I would venture to bet that you will be able to modify your preference qualifiers a few weeks before the real bid comes out.
There are solid plans for SOC, but with everything they are only plans. If they choose to they can shelve them for a later date. The thinking is to get the pain out of the way quickly so that we can move on, but as with a few other things they can have a change of heart.

acl65pilot

Glad to see that many of us are working on resolutions to actually get stuff done!

forgot to bid

First, I for one want to say I too appreciate ACL, he's a great American . But second and speaking of plans for pre and post SOC, the news headlines on Deltanet are grim. Its enough to look on Drudge and see grim news, now Deltanet? I was just passing through to get to ecrew.

AP report: Airlines worldwide grounding more planes as they cut capacity

Teams continue string of above-plan ops performance

Turkish Airlines flight goes down on approach to Amsterdam

Delta seeks to increase destinations to Brazil... per Delta pilots union request

Industry outlook is grim for some carriers

Despite wind gusts in Northeast, ops manage another day of solid performance... for record reporting reasons we never include JFK as a Northeast airport.

TSA to test full-body scanning in SLC... just wait till they scan me, this program will come to an abrupt end.
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I added some commentary here, but the two headlines in bold are what I noticed. I know Deltanet news has grown in its scope recently but to me Delta picks these headlines and you just hope its not preemptive preparation for the workforce.

slowplay

Let me start by saying that I get your point. This isn't FlightInfo, and my post could help this conversation degenerate. It is not my intent to participate in that medium. However, read through some of the following and tell me if it doesn't strike you as strange that a pilot with close management ties chooses to take the union to task over the contract that they were able to achieve through negotiations with that same management team.

Above, Bar, you state that "ACL65 contributes more good information than most of us..." Where does that info come from?

A management acknowledgment.

It was such a travesty that he chose DAL as his airline while it was still in bankruptcy. He came after the approval of LOA 51 as the pilot contract with the scope provisions he now rails against. As a reminder, he came from ASA and now complains about RJ scope.

After acknowledging management, after stating that Flight Ops management isn't really management, after calling DAL's situation a travesty, he has the temerity to blame ALPA and the Delta MEC for his lot in life.

Give me a break!

Again, I don't want this to be FlightInfo. But this type of posting can't stand unchallenged.

Bucking Bar

ACL65 is a Delta fan, as am I. It was, and is, a number one choice airline. Much of the credit for that belongs to ALPA and the Delta MEC. But as with any debrief, there are things that can be improved on. Scope is sure one of them. We should agree to meet on another thread for a decades running scope debate and try to keep the "latest and greatest" true to its' name.

Everyone should maintain a good dialogue with their Reps during times like these. It is the nature of web boards to overshoot and undershoot in the absence of better information that helps refine our course.

acl65pilot

First and foremost the word "WE" is used to term us the pilot group. Managers get their orders from above, we get them from our managers. I hate to break it to you but I am not a management spy.
Second, I did come from ASA, where I was just as upset about the relaxation of scope as I am today. C2K made my stay there quite longer than I planned. Six years longer. Why? Because of Scope, or lack there of.
Third, I blame no one for my lot. I on a daily basis get off my arse and make sure that I control where I do to the best of my abilities. If that means pointing a finger at the union, I will. If that means calling the company out on something, I will. I have done both and very recently.

As for controlled leaks, it is the MO. It is an opinion. What I find funny is that you put me in one category, and are repulsed when I do not stay in it.
I am glad my info is useful to you, if I am no longer of service to you, put me on your ignore list. It will save you time and energy.

acl65pilot

Darn bar, how did you know

acl65pilot

BTW, I am quite happy with DAL. DAL is no different than any other carrier. I just do not want to see the airlines to be operated this way. We can do better. If I can help, I will.

I know that for far too long people have sat back and pointed fingers at people and things that are wrong, but never did anything. I can assure you and I am a dooer. I volunteer my time, do you?