Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-13-2009, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
These guys have 53 737's and emb 170's/190's. Share sale announcement on the 15th. ACL says big news on 15th. New partnership announced last week. Forget about Alaska lets just buy these guys and hook up with Aussie chicks.
Virgin Blue May Sell A$400 Million of New Shares, Age Says
July 13 (Bloomberg) -- Virgin Blue Holdings Ltd., may sell A$400 million ($312 million) of shares to strengthen its balance sheet, the Age newspaper reported, without saying where it got the information.
It may have to sell shares to a cornerstone investor, the report said. Virgin Group Ltd., holder of 22.5 percent of Virgin Blue, may not buy stock in a sale, the Age said.
Goldman Sachs JBWere Pty may help to organize the share sale that might be announced Wednesday, the newspaper said. Goldman and Virgin Blue declined to comment, it reported.
SYDNEY, July 13 (Reuters) - Australian airline Virgin Blue Holdings (VBA.AX) called a halt to trade in its shares on Monday, pending an announcement. It gave no more details. The Sydney Morning Herald said in an unsourced report on Monday that Virgin was poised to raise up to A$400 million ($312 million) to bolster its balance sheet and cement its recently struck partnership with Delta Air Lines (DAL.N). [ID:nSYU006818] (Reporting by Mark Bendeich) ($1=1.284 Australian Dollar)
Virgin Blue May Sell A$400 Million of New Shares, Age Says
July 13 (Bloomberg) -- Virgin Blue Holdings Ltd., may sell A$400 million ($312 million) of shares to strengthen its balance sheet, the Age newspaper reported, without saying where it got the information.
It may have to sell shares to a cornerstone investor, the report said. Virgin Group Ltd., holder of 22.5 percent of Virgin Blue, may not buy stock in a sale, the Age said.
Goldman Sachs JBWere Pty may help to organize the share sale that might be announced Wednesday, the newspaper said. Goldman and Virgin Blue declined to comment, it reported.
SYDNEY, July 13 (Reuters) - Australian airline Virgin Blue Holdings (VBA.AX) called a halt to trade in its shares on Monday, pending an announcement. It gave no more details. The Sydney Morning Herald said in an unsourced report on Monday that Virgin was poised to raise up to A$400 million ($312 million) to bolster its balance sheet and cement its recently struck partnership with Delta Air Lines (DAL.N). [ID:nSYU006818] (Reporting by Mark Bendeich) ($1=1.284 Australian Dollar)
07-13-2009, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
I know nothing. I'm just going with the flow on that one. It really doesn't change anything though. A -175 is a -175. Whether the mod was preformed or not we could still take the airplane.
You lost me in all of the fancy numbers but somehow I'm thinking if 36 aircraft (Compass) were added to mainline. Or 51 aircraft (compass + 15 shuttle birds) were added to mainline DALPA might make some deals. They might even make deals that don't include counting furloughed Compass guys as orig mainline guys in your above numbers if they do come over and get F'd (they were always furloughable without repercussions to the company, at least now they would have a DAL number).
I don't know whether your numbers are including the Compass aircraft or not, but wouldn't you subtract those 76 seaters from the current DCI side since they would become mainline? (153-36=117 which is below 127...heck they could buy more -900's)
I'm pulling all of this out of my *ss and have absolutely nothing in front of me to show any of this is even possible.
I'm just playing the game.
You lost me in all of the fancy numbers but somehow I'm thinking if 36 aircraft (Compass) were added to mainline. Or 51 aircraft (compass + 15 shuttle birds) were added to mainline DALPA might make some deals. They might even make deals that don't include counting furloughed Compass guys as orig mainline guys in your above numbers if they do come over and get F'd (they were always furloughable without repercussions to the company, at least now they would have a DAL number).
I don't know whether your numbers are including the Compass aircraft or not, but wouldn't you subtract those 76 seaters from the current DCI side since they would become mainline? (153-36=117 which is below 127...heck they could buy more -900's)
I'm pulling all of this out of my *ss and have absolutely nothing in front of me to show any of this is even possible.
I'm just playing the game.
A change to section 1 does that. Many believe that section 6 is required to do that. Maybe. Fact is that if we add these jets with no change to section 1 we will give the company the ability to max out the 76 seat jet DCI fleet only to see them move off property once the deliveries are taken.
Deliberate moves need to be made. But I agree, they need to be made.
07-13-2009, 02:11 AM
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I totally agree WE would need to make some changes to make sure we didn't get scr*wed on the deal.
What I didn't agree with (or maybe didn't quite understand) was Slow's painting of the company somehow getting scr*wed on this deal.
If they moved aircraft from DCI to mainline as you pointed out it seems as if they would have plenty of wiggle room with the current language we have in play.
I would hope we'd change some language around to keep the backfilling of more 76 seaters at DCI from happening. We'd be idiots not to.
What I didn't agree with (or maybe didn't quite understand) was Slow's painting of the company somehow getting scr*wed on this deal.
If they moved aircraft from DCI to mainline as you pointed out it seems as if they would have plenty of wiggle room with the current language we have in play.
I would hope we'd change some language around to keep the backfilling of more 76 seaters at DCI from happening. We'd be idiots not to.
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07-13-2009, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
The second they went over $5 it was no soup for me. Seriously, $7.90 for a bowl of soup is ridiculous. (and that's with the employee discount) 
07-13-2009, 03:52 AM
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That Japanese restaurant rocks at DTW,great sushi,soba,the sticker shock isnt too bad either.
07-13-2009, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you talked to me, which you have- that statement changes to "a friend with specific numbers."
We've been down this path before...
We've been down this path before...
"In regards to the E175 weights, I'll see what I can do with my friend."
Then crickets. In other words, hearsay.
We have been down this path before.
07-13-2009, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I've asked before. Help me prove this. Last time I asked all I got in response was "a friend of a friend heard..." The facts as presented to us show no certification of the aircraft took place at the higher gross weights. The FAA reflects no record of higher gross weight applications. I need facts, not hearsay. Can you provide those or not?
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Several citizens have reported shots in the night and a missing.person and your response (don't bother me I'm having a donut) is without a body we have no crime. Bring me a body and we'll have something to investigate.
We even asked the guy with the warm smoking gun if he knew anything and he said "no".
Case closed......now quit bothering us with crank calls.
Now who was that missing person again, begins with an S?
07-13-2009, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
First, the weight Mod can be done with a log book entry and some a/c mods .It is nothing more that a Service Bulletin. You would have to look at each a/c log book to see if that bulletin was completed.
I have also been told that there were aircraft that had the higher weights placarded on them, and then had them changed back to the old weights. I do not know if the mods to make the weight increase can be upmoded. The only way to prove this is go call Embraier and go up to IND and verify it.
I have also been told that there were aircraft that had the higher weights placarded on them, and then had them changed back to the old weights. I do not know if the mods to make the weight increase can be upmoded. The only way to prove this is go call Embraier and go up to IND and verify it.
07-13-2009, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Thanks again for sharing what you've "heard." I'm still looking for some facts, but nobody seems to be willing to produce any.
I expect DALPA to be shrewd enough to see through this and what a possible DAL funding of this mod (completed or not) represents. Given recent events with RAH I consider the answer to that question particularly germane. RA is on record (ask Occam's Razor) as saying he wants everything less than 757 flown by outsorced lift.
Do you really believe that RAH did this all on their own solely for the DAL SA feed? Please tell.me that DALPA knows what is likely going on and is too proud to admit they got bamboozled, and not that you still believe there is no violation or intent.
I keep hearing the talking points from CPs and management that "we have lost the 100 seat Scope battle, it's time to be pragmatic and move on"
The 100 seat fight is coming - are we going to stand our ground or rationalize it away again?
This is not just a junior pilot jobs 3rd rail issue. The dwindling numbers of legacy pilots have all but put the regionals in control of ALPA. The liquidation of a legacy or another USAPA type debacle and the regionals will be in control. National will follow the money.
The number of disenfanchised former legacy pilots will exceed those working and when the big battle that is important to those who minimize Scope comes there will no longer be the strength in numbers and unity to make a differnce. ALPA is on the verge if irrelavance and I'm guessing there are already a considerable number of former of previously loyal ALPA members who would cross a picket line now as it is because they were sold out by those entrusted with "protecting the profession".
Protecting further incursions and winning back ground on Scope is the lynchpin in ALPA's future.
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07-13-2009, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
I expect DALPA to be shrewd enough to see through this and what a possible DAL funding of this mod (completed or not) represents.
1. Yell the sky is falling with no evidence?
2. Tilt at another windmill where there is no proof that a windmill stands?
3. Insert your favorite metaphor here...
Yup, DALPA isn't as shrewd as the average airlinepilotcentral.com forum poster...they were bamboozled by something that the books say didn't happen and that those that yell the loudest can't prove.
Give me some proof and I'll act on it. The airplanes are flying at less than 86,000 lbs. That's fact. RAH opspecs call for 86,000 lbs. Management says the aircraft are compliant.
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Do you really believe that RAH did this all on their own solely for the DAL SA feed? ...
I keep hearing the talking points from CPs and management that "we have lost the 100 seat Scope battle, it's time to be pragmatic and move on"
I keep hearing the talking points from CPs and management that "we have lost the 100 seat Scope battle, it's time to be pragmatic and move on"
Name one CP or executive manager that has stated what you state...
I'm sure I'll hear crickets.
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