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I thought the point was to help define options we have, and options we don't have. You can choose to refuse the scan, and I suppose you can also choose to refuse the pat-down, but then you're making choices about your careers that you may not want to be making. It would be irresponsible for ALPA to suggest individual actions other than professional behavior.

I heard the new pat down procedure is worse than the scan. (Mentally)

Having some non-doctor guy brush against "my junk" is not desirable.

The guy I'm flying with said his last captain had to go through it and was visibly shaken and said he felt "violated."

Here is a hearsay quote from the DALPA forum attributed to an "ALPA leader."

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The hand search WILL involve front of the hand manipulation of your crotch and a**- do what you think is best being groped by another guy.

If this is true, I think we have hit an all time low.

In my book, accepting something that is unacceptable is unprofessional behavior.

georgetg

10-31-2010 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 893610)

George,
They have been all over Fox and CNN this AM.

Dammit I should just stop watching HGTV.... ;-)

Cheers
George

PilotFrog

10-31-2010 07:52 AM

So I will now wear a CUP and make sure I bring along my mouthguard for every flight. Jeez I'm back in the AF.

Hawaii50

10-31-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 893621)

Not to mention how much security manpower will be spent hand searching ID'ed crewmembers when it should be spent looking for the real threat.

georgetg

10-31-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 893621)

The irony here is that the TSA agents have been exempt from screening since they switched to the blue uniforms with the metal shield...the shield sets of the metal-detector...

At some point this is a simple OSHA issue.
Regular long-haul flying at high northern latitudes already pushes or exceeds in some cases the set annual limits for radiation-workers...

Adding regular exposure from screening at the airport will increase the exposure...

Links:
Radiation Hazard at Aircraft Altitudes
Radiation Exposure Aloft -- Are You Being Nuked?
http://www.irpa.net/irpa10/cdrom/01004.pdf

YMMV

Cheers
George

acl65pilot

10-31-2010 08:20 AM

George. They have to pass though the metal detectors and their bags are screened at the start of the shift. I have seen it done many times.

clipperskipper

10-31-2010 08:33 AM

I watched this on CNN earlier and also am having a problem with this hastily adopted procedure. I can only recommend talking to your union officials until TSA comes up with a better solution.

buzzpat

10-31-2010 08:35 AM

Guys

On the whole security issue. Yesterday, I DH'd three times (yep, three times, great scheduling system we have). Any way, at two of the stations, SAN and SLC, the gate agent had to input all of my personnel info, to include my passport info, into the system before I could be listed for a DH. What's up with that? Its crew travel! I'm already through security. Any ideas? This is BS. (I did, however, get first on both flights so it wasn't all bad).

georgetg

10-31-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 893641)

George. They have to pass though the metal detectors and their bags are screened at the start of the shift. I have seen it done many times.

Sure they have "passed through" the metal detector, but their uniform alerts on the detector and theyare not subject to secondary screening as a result...

I understand the importance of screening...
The latest plot is a sign that our screening methods are causing "the other side" to rethink their strategy.

As long as our methods are one step ahead...

Cheers
George

forgot to bid

10-31-2010 09:35 AM

Hey now, 1 bad apple and some local or national news reports and the whole skipping security in ATL grinds to a halt and so does the airport.

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