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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 910554)
It is actually more basic than that. The company was going bankrupt and the MEC decided to give concessions to try to prevent bankruptcy. (didn't work but at the time they decided to try) The first areas to look at were those where pilots got paid for not working. That was the reason for the change to recovery flying. Same reason why the reserve system is designed to equally apportion reserve flying to minimize reserve guarantee paid. That's how you save the trip rigs and quality of life, especially for narrow body pilots. We came out with narrow body pilots flying 13-15 days a month rather than 18-20 like at some other carriers.
Now is the time to start looking at some of those hard choices that had to be made in the tough times and the MEC will decide which problems need to be fixed and in what order. It is a marathon and not a sprint. Bankruptcy was unavoidable, I still dont understand how ALPA missed that. |
ahh. nevermind. Already covered in the 5 pages I missed while I was out being productive (my wife's word for randomly driving around town doing stuff)...
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It is productive to her. She got out of the house!:D
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 910570)
Bankruptcy was unavoidable, I still dont understand how ALPA missed that.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 910605)
If ALPA would have told the company that we have contracts and are not willing to negotiate...
This was exactly what Bastian told the captain I was flying with when he challenged Ed on why the execs kept their pensions and such while the rest got nuked. "Well, we had contracts that had to be honored." |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 910605)
This is the single reason why our profession is not what it used to be. This lead to scope concessions, our ridiculous pay cuts, lost pensions, etc. If ALPA would have told the company that we have contracts and are not willing to negotiate, we might have taken some pay cuts and still lost some pensions, but we would undeniably be in a better spot than we are now. We would have our highest paying contracts in history as a starting point in bankruptcy. It would have been at all carriers including US Airways. I put this solely on ALPA national as all the legacy airlines were in the same spot. ALPA's strategy was the same at every carrier and it failed miserably.
Hawaiin Airlines pilots also turned down their TA in BK. They were not scared of living under an imposed contract for the same reason as our FA's. Hawaiin pilots got significant increases in all areas in their second TA...which they ultimately signed. Both NWA and DAL pilots...signed the very first offer that came down from management and the judge. No snapbacks, no nothing. Just signed it. Carl |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 910378)
Here's the actual official Navy version. Mav wasn't really into Charlie; he was into Ice!:eek:
YouTube - Top Gun Recut Carl |
In an attempt to cut costs this is what you will take your next checkride in:
YouTube - simulate CAR RACE |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 909678)
That was the way it used to be at NWA and I believe at Delta too, pre-bankruptcy.
I will tell you, that no matter how bad our current recovery flying is.........it's MUCH better than the POS we had at NWA. Steenlend and the boys had it where you were on the hook (as in IN BASE RESERVE and first out of the box) for the entire recovery period. Also, they could give you as many trips as they wanted to fill the period. The only up side the union got for us was positive space up and back and hotel rooms if they had you sit in base. It should be a total release from duty, but trust me, it could be worse:mad: Ferd 1. Reasonably Available 2. Only required to be available for your original trip in case the instructor or student got sick. |
Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 910541)
I thought he wanted water. In a clean glass.
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