Your problem as always is that we DID read your post. As such you've unmasked yourself (yet again) as someone who has some very low opinions of your fellow pilots. You set up a hypothetical that you were sure would show everyone that we all believe that scope sales are still possible at the right price. The subsequent posts have shown you that you're the only one here that believes that so far.

You try so hard to come off as a line guy with normal populist views, but your own words continue to unmask you.

Carl

 

No you don't acl. You have to say this because you've been called out on it. So many of your previous posts say things like: "I educated the senior guys every chance I get." And: "The senior guys get an earful from me regularly..." And "the senior pilots sold scope and the junior pilots to line their own pockets." I cannot imagine how insufferable you must be to fly with if you really do this in the cockpit. You have some things to teach us senior pilots, but you have so much more to learn from us at this stage in your very new career. You'll never learn it because you're too busy "educating" us.

I make them because somebody has to tell you. Your fellow senior crewmembers are probably just trying to get along with you and enhance CRM, so they tolerate your "education" attempts. If we fly together, I will tell you directly that you'll do yourself a favor by closing your mouth and opening your ears for a while.

I did not describe you as an RJ lifer. I described you as a victim of the hatred and vitriol OF the RJ lifers. Those guys are compelled to pass on generational hatred for their own personal shortcomings. They feel it is the only thing they have left. It is up to people like you to get beyond what you've been taught during the very formative years of your aviation career by some truly awful people.

Carl

 

Who the heck is Alaska Express? no such thing.

 

Never said they would pass the MEMRAT test, just that some pilots freely admit that their only goal is pay, even if there is a trade off. Also look at my posts that state that at best 30% of this group would go for that. My personal opinion is that, it would not make it past the MEC Council much less MEMRAT. Thanks for your spite though. Everything I have posted has come out of the mouths of Captains that have been here over 20 years fwiw.

Not sure what you think my views are, but like you I am not willing to sell scope for pay.

You also fail to see the context of the posts, and the word "education." Many of the guys I fly with have no clue we even have a AS code share, have no clue what the AF/KLM/JV entails, and lastly, see RJ's as RJ's and really give them no thought except that they keep getting bigger. Some do realize that, leverage is leaving the list though, but not as many as I would like to see.

Education is not about what their "views" should be, but about what these sections of the contract mean, and what their implications are. In fact I let them read the contract themselves.


Fine by me Carl, I will be your mute FO and that is oh so good for CRM...

Realistically Carl, I ask them what they want they tell me, and when they say Pay no matter what, I ask them a few questions, ask them what they know about scope, etc. It is hardly an one sided discussion, and is never confrontational, but I know you would never believe that.



Again, I do not know where you get off thinking I am anything of the sort, but I do know you make your assumptions and are stuck to them. The simple fact is that there are some pilots that are "willing" to do whatever it takes to make their pay go up. Not my words theirs. Do I think that it is enough to pass MEMRAT? Nope not at all. I respect their positions on a the issues for one reason, they like you and I are entitled to them. I can disagree, and so can you. It is OK if not everyone shares the same view. That is the job of the MEC. They create a majority position.

Reality Carl is we agree on a great many issues, but take totally different paths to them. We have 12,000+ pilots and all have different priorities and many of them are not the weighted the same as you. I am sorry if that is news to you.

 

A whale Capt telling a junior pilot what to do. This is a FIRST, right? The senior telling the junior to listen and shut your mouth....They know what is right.... I listened to the rantings of a whale Capt TELLING me what was THE priority for our upcoming contract: better medical insurance for the retiring guys. These are the guys that have the largest frozen pension, that were probably red book guys that had a faster progression in their career and may have been Captains on the whale for many years, and who took advantage of the age 60 rule while current pilots cannot. Quit complaining Carl, we don't feel sorry for you. Junior pilots like ACL need to educate you, you're not a widebody PIC on this board. Junior people who have been crapped on outnumber you senior guys.

 

This place is like a laboratory...

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

ACL, Carl has an agenda and you're on the other side so you're a target. I, never in a million years, read from your posts that you hate senior guys. I wouldn't waste my time trying to reason if I were you. I'd rather see your opinions and your usual informative posts then you trying to repel attacks from a red book whale guy. Take care.

 

A little break and red meat for the masses:

TMZ covers the BCS National Championship with a prediction by a guy who knows nothing about football but a lot about babes... Auburn babes vs Oregon babes

Enjoy. Now continue with the written karate chops.

 

Actually the number of DALN pilots with significant frozen pensions is quite small, however the number of pilots staying past 60 is bordering 75%, mainly because of our industry trailing, cobra priced retiree medical and staying until they can get medicare. So yes, it is your junior pilot @ss interest for them to get better medical and move on. Right now back of the napkin mean retirement is 62-63. I'm sure you don't mind delaying that upgrade another 3 years just so you can show those greedy senior guys.

 

A senior / junior divide is counterproductive. Both need each other to achieve success in contract negotiations. Carl's understanding and support for better scope is very much appreciated by the junior guys on this board.

By the same token, I know what ACL is referring to because I've heard the same things he his hearing from his mostly DAL-S Captains who have enjoyed the seniority to avoid the worst of the last decade and who also enjoy the luxury of tuning most of this crap out.

This board is like monitoring HF. There is a good bit of static along with useful information. For junior guys who's QOL is effected by a single airplane's staffing, it is well worth following every ride report. For the Senior guys, there is only a few things that will make the HF go DING that rises to their attention.

ACL is probably telling them a lot they were never motivated enough to dig up on their own. When the going got real tough, the tough retired early and our current Senior pilots upgraded to maintain level earnings. Not saying they did not take cuts like everyone else, but they had earned the seniority to side step the ugliest effects of mismanagement.

Now with PBS and computer scheduling the difference between senior and junior is STARK! Senior guys get the very best and junior guys get the very worst. It is easy to draw a line that divides us. We can not let that happen.