tsquare

That was the genius of Leo Mullin. He KNEW that the company was going to bankruptcy when we signed C2K. After giving up the RJ flying that we did.. (not saying that we gave it up to get those rates) he knew that the pay would get stomped in BK. So he got scope AND payrates... (I think the retirement was a bonus..) but he got that too... The man was a genius, and we got played.

JABDIP

Personally, I think we need to get out of the box on scope and go back to how all this started. We were told that RJs and regionals were good for us in that it opened up new markets and gave us flow, in turn creating the need for more mainline aircraft because of more feed. I say that we define DCI flying base on the population of the airport served from the hub. Just say the number was 50,000 people within a 25 mile radius of the airport as an example. You could give a little flexibility in establishing a new route or competeing with another mainline in an exemption clause that would go from 6 months to a year then convert to mainline or drop the service. Then the more DCI the better because we would probably never fly mainline line to that market anyway. Flying hub to hub on DCI does not cut it with me. That should definitely be mainline flying. Just food for thought.

TenYearsGone

Here is a thought. DCI flying or Delta Flying done by Delta pilots. Outsourcing ruins our product and "name".

The labor saving is not all that much either. I heard some Rj captains make over 100k. If you do a seat/pay analysis, their payrates are almost equal, except the fact that Delta does not have efficient control of the outsource product.

It can ALL be done in house.

TYG

iceman49

It was poor customer service, but I believe the fine was levied because of a failure to comply with the rules protecting passengers with disabilities. If fines were assesed for poor passenger service, most of the carriers would be gone.

JABDIP

I have always said you are only as good as your weakest link(worst service as in DCI). Nothing would please me more than to have it all in house, but I think that is an unachievable goal.

newKnow

Looks like a congresswoman was shot today. Fox News and MSNBC's website is reporting she has died. Unfreakingbelievable.

Ferd149

Yup.........mod Dem who just got reelected in a conservative Tuscon district.
Looks like the jackwagon also killed/wounded several of her local staffers.

I'm embarrassed to be from/live here somedays

PS just found this (to keep this "aviation" related)

Giffords is married to Capt Mark Kelly, a U.S. Navy pilot and NASA astronaut and is the only congresswoman with a military spouse on active duty.

Jabberwock

Yay!
Will an E170 make it there?We need to stop viewing codeshare and RJ's as anything different than what they are:


Of course a small jet feeds a larger jet in a hub, but there is no distinction between a DC9, an E175, or a 737. We woudl lose flow if we parked the 747's too. All these jets are integral parts of our network. The distinctions are meaningless and only butter our egos into believing we are only outsourcing flying we do not want to perform.

Well, my favorite airplane is the 757. Sorry for the rest of you, your jobs don't matter.

orvil

Can someone explain to me how to get to the Fly Confirmed For Less page at Travelnet? I can't find it.

JABDIP

You totally miss the point. We will never reverse and take back the DCI flying to the level of your statement above: all Delta code will be Delta pilots. My point of defining what cities by size could be flown by DCI carriers has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with the size of aircraft that goes there. Simpilly put, if a city is over a certain population out side a hub, a mainline jet(flown by DAL pilots) serves it wheather it is a RJ or a 747. If you want to fly a 20 seat Sabb to Podunkville, quit DAL and go to work for someone who flies those airplanes dude. My question to you is how has the current scope language prevented DCI from flying hub to hub, ie. DTW- ATL-DTW?????