Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-11-2011, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
No.. not really, but I would not like to think that when I get to the left seat of the 737 I have reached the pinnacle of my career. I have 5000 hours there, and while it was fun, I like options that they could never offer. I LIKE GRU/NCE/FCO/NRT layovers..and I LIKE going to Europe and Asia... you will NEVER do that at SWA. It's good for some people, and I say good for them. I do find it absolutely amazing how some of their junior guys are whining little little school girls about the merger over there.. What, they won't get their first choice of vacation if some dirt bag AT guys are put ahead of them on the list... really??? But back to your question, I think that there are things from their contract that we might be abe to improve on.. I honestly do not know, but I hate having that bus service held up as the gold standard. If you remember, in BK, we all came back to them.. they haven't set any bars.... ever.
03-11-2011, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
yea...well...standby for incoming because it sounds like our union apologists around here are trying to manage our expectations a good bit south of their contract. their reasoning is that we cannot be compared to them since they are not similar operations!
Right on LandGreen. Same will be said about comparing ourselves to FedEx and UPS. Last time I checked, every Item that passes through the cargo doors carries a price tag on it. Bag fees alone last year???? Either just over or just under a billion dollars. Lots of container cargo sales on top of that.
ALPA acolytes, remind us again how much per year we gave up in concessions in BK. Thats right, $1 bil a year.
Don't let yourselves be managed.
03-11-2011, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
DAL 16-747s
SWA 548-737s
Yet another reason why size shouldn't matter
SWA 548-737s
Yet another reason why size shouldn't matter
03-11-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Well I cannot argue with any of that, but their pilots had nothing to do with them not going into BK.. just like WE had nothing to do with US going into BK. They are a different animal than we are. domestic only... one a/c type.. you know the list... And I really don't think that you can compare the two with any real competent metric other than the fact that we both fly airplanes. But I do think the "slow and steady" M.O. of Herb Kelleher has had it's run... witness the NEED for the AT merger.. There is no more organic growth they can do to compete. And the junior guys over there are about to get a real healthy dose of reality.
What's going on here was Hockey vented about pay here versus there and was told why don't you quit and go there, their application window is open.
Which surprisingly was not warmly received. Because today SWA pays 30% more than we do for the similar mission 88 pilots for the same longevity not to mention they equal 747 pay. So if pilots are castigated for making that observation then it makes some of us wonder what the C2012 goal will be?
I mean we should (at the least) be able to say equal pay for the 88 and SWA 737 and that's not even taking into account 150-160 seats vs their 137.
And if asked, what are we willing to give up? First, we'll give up anyone who asks that question and second, we already gave up on scope.
So we pre-paid our raise to equal pay with SWA.
03-11-2011, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Tsquare, all of this is absolutely true imho.
What's going on here was Hockey vented about pay here versus there and was told why don't you quit and go there, their application window is open.
What's going on here was Hockey vented about pay here versus there and was told why don't you quit and go there, their application window is open.
As Dennis Miller says, "Of course that's just my opinion. I could be wrong."
YouTube - Dennis Miller's rant on intelligence
03-11-2011, 01:13 PM
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That previous post about Jet airways joining Sky Team is scary. I know we have good protectins with the JV with AF, but what kind of Sky Team protections do we have?
03-11-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It's not just about the money....
You got any other ways to objectively compare us and SWA? Honest question. Seems like we are going to need some numbers going into negotiations. Not just "they make a lot more than dal and have better QOL"
03-11-2011, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Per the context of my reply to Columbia (and anyone that might know the answer), yes, it was. We happened to be talking about financial compensation at the time. I tried to draw in a little QOL by drawing in TAFB.
You got any other ways to objectively compare us and SWA? Honest question. Seems like we are going to need some numbers going into negotiations. Not just "they make a lot more than dal and have better QOL"
You got any other ways to objectively compare us and SWA? Honest question. Seems like we are going to need some numbers going into negotiations. Not just "they make a lot more than dal and have better QOL"
03-11-2011, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I'll take that healthy dose of reality at $134k/year and more days off!!
Point is.. and somebody else said it better than I could, but when the TA comes out in 2015, read all the sections OTHER than section 3... then if you like what you read, see how much they are gonna pay you...
03-11-2011, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
For what job? of course now that you have stated a number... how about $132.50? maybe $130.... oh, and reserves have to sit 8 SC days a month... and hard time only? and........
Point is.. and somebody else said it better than I could, but when the TA comes out in 2015, read all the sections OTHER than section 3... then if you like what you read, see how much they are gonna pay you...
Point is.. and somebody else said it better than I could, but when the TA comes out in 2015, read all the sections OTHER than section 3... then if you like what you read, see how much they are gonna pay you...
all the other sections and "what if" it to death. My concern would be, like yours, is "what if" certain pay rates are "parked" with the parking of specific aircraft types or even numbers for any reason. A big 747 rate is great, but doesn't mean diddly if 12 people get to see it.
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