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03-11-2011, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Yeah I can't make out every hair on Carl's head in perfect detail. Needs to be bigger.
03-11-2011, 08:12 PM
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03-11-2011, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
And if asked, what are we willing to give up? First, we'll give up anyone who asks that question and second, we already gave up on scope.
So we pre-paid our raise to equal pay with SWA.
So we pre-paid our raise to equal pay with SWA.
Scope sales didn't pre-pay our future raise. Scope sales are helping to make future raises that much harder to get. Ironically we will likely be told again about the wonders of "bargaining credits" and how "costly" re-insourcing flying is, thus starting the race with our shoes untied anyway.
03-11-2011, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
While I agree we shouldn't have to entertain "giving up" anything to get the basic foundation of one of (if not the) biggest domestic carriers on earth, and I know you know this already anyway, but the more scope you give up the more it hurts your ability to get pay. Case in point, SWA didn't get their pay by selling scope but rather they have their pay because they retained extremely tight scope (plus competent management, go figure). Give SWA management 250ish large RJ's to shop to the lowest bidder as well as some very questionably structured 737 domestic scope like AS and SWA would clearly not have the pay they do now.
Scope sales didn't pre-pay our future raise. Scope sales are helping to make future raises that much harder to get. Ironically we will likely be told again about the wonders of "bargaining credits" and how "costly" re-insourcing flying is, thus starting the race with our shoes untied anyway.
Scope sales didn't pre-pay our future raise. Scope sales are helping to make future raises that much harder to get. Ironically we will likely be told again about the wonders of "bargaining credits" and how "costly" re-insourcing flying is, thus starting the race with our shoes untied anyway.
03-12-2011, 03:57 AM
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Flew on SWA yesteday and was talking with the F/A about her trip and minimum daily pay. Her 3 day was worth 20:15, 16:05 block time. They have a 6:30 min pay/day. Pilots couldn't remember their rigs but said they were the same or very close. Trip rigs determine how many days at home we get. One of the areas of our contract that needs to be improved.
03-12-2011, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
That previous post about Jet airways joining Sky Team is scary. I know we have good protectins with the JV with AF, but what kind of Sky Team protections do we have?
If the Sky Team group is eventually allowed to spin off an Alter-Ego Airline that very well could be the demise of the Airlines.
03-12-2011, 04:31 AM
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I wonder which do I have a better chance of winning. My April bid or the $172 million dollar mega millions?
Oh my big dreams for both!
Oh my big dreams for both!
03-12-2011, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadie85
Flew on SWA yesteday and was talking with the F/A about her trip and minimum daily pay. Her 3 day was worth 20:15, 16:05 block time. They have a 6:30 min pay/day. Pilots couldn't remember their rigs but said they were the same or very close. Trip rigs determine how many days at home we get. One of the areas of our contract that needs to be improved.
03-12-2011, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
While I agree we shouldn't have to entertain "giving up" anything to get the basic foundation of one of (if not the) biggest domestic carriers on earth, and I know you know this already anyway, but the more scope you give up the more it hurts your ability to get pay. Case in point, SWA didn't get their pay by selling scope but rather they have their pay because they retained extremely tight scope (plus competent management, go figure). Give SWA management 250ish large RJ's to shop to the lowest bidder as well as some very questionably structured 737 domestic scope like AS and SWA would clearly not have the pay they do now.
Scope sales didn't pre-pay our future raise. Scope sales are helping to make future raises that much harder to get. Ironically we will likely be told again about the wonders of "bargaining credits" and how "costly" re-insourcing flying is, thus starting the race with our shoes untied anyway.
Scope sales didn't pre-pay our future raise. Scope sales are helping to make future raises that much harder to get. Ironically we will likely be told again about the wonders of "bargaining credits" and how "costly" re-insourcing flying is, thus starting the race with our shoes untied anyway.
03-12-2011, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Yep-pretty common at wn to fly 12-13 days/month, 80 hours and credit 110-120 hours. I know there are those who say pay rates are only part of the picture, but holy hell, that picture looks like Ft. Knox.
I'd have to guess a 27 hour 4-day is not commutable. My guess would be you'd need more reserves to cover that stuff when IROPS hits. Probably require fewer pilots overall though? Let slow or sailing figure that one out.
The displaced breads and cheeses crowd, the beer a night crowd and the sleep in late crowd would definitely hate it.
So 6.5 hour a day, 80 hours of pay on 17-18 days off a month, no pilot outsourcing and 30% higher pay. Something that's worth pondering.
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