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03-02-2011 | 04:18 AM
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And my grandfather, my father, and I were all commissioned officers in the military....no union. My point is this, for every tax dollar an American pays to the federal, state or local government is one less dollar of discretionary income they have to purchase an airline ticket. Conversely, government employees, like military servicemen and women, "serve." Corporations, like ours, produce a commodity. If customers can't purchase a commodity, we perish.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
Don't disagree with you, and retired Mil as well, however one has to ask what was the root cause of the financial crisis at the state levels that are leading to the current standoff? Much is due to cutbacks in state funding caused by having to trim federal funding tied to bailing out the economy and floating hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up Wall Street for the mortgage meltdown that was allowed by several administrations worth of legislation permitting it to take place.
All the current debate over Wis and other states would carry more weight for me were it not that we are basically allowing the rape of the middle class to pay for the sins of government ineptitude and greed of the financial community that is held to a very different standard than that of those now asked to pay for their mistakes.
Should this sentiment prevail it will only be a matter of time before our military retirements are no longer sacrosanct, and I'll guarantee you you'll be singing a different tune then.
03-02-2011 | 04:27 AM
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And if you read your EFOB's they will be testing those phones over the new few weeks/months in "areas of less than optimum coverage."
03-02-2011 | 04:39 AM
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Tanstaafl;
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
03-02-2011 | 04:45 AM
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Tanstaafl;
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
While this is true, human nature has been to treat that gubbamint like a cash machine that never runs out. This cannot continue. The teachers have a painful lesson coming their way. It is up to them as to whether they choose to acknowledge history and learn from private industry (the irony there is palpable) or whether they choose to be an ostrich and think that the legislature will ALWAYS come through in the 11th hour and pay them. I have a cousin that just got a teaching job in Illinois.. primary education I think. She is pretty sharp, and said that she is going to plan on funding her own retirement because she realizes that the ponzi schemes are crashing down.
03-02-2011 | 05:06 AM
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Hey fellas, sorry to change the subject, but had a trip the other day with some super senior ladies in the back, and they couldn't get the slide on one of the doors to arm.
Came up and stated that I needed to come back and cycle the door becuase they aren't allowed to touch the doors. That torqued me off, becuase I am happy to help if asked, but don't tell me you can't. Got some further info, and they are allowed to touch (cycle) the doors with direction from the cockpit. Just so you know.
At home winning!
Came up and stated that I needed to come back and cycle the door becuase they aren't allowed to touch the doors. That torqued me off, becuase I am happy to help if asked, but don't tell me you can't. Got some further info, and they are allowed to touch (cycle) the doors with direction from the cockpit. Just so you know.
At home winning!
03-02-2011 | 05:27 AM
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03-02-2011 | 05:45 AM
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03-02-2011 | 05:45 AM
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Buzz,
Don't disagree with you, and retired Mil as well, however one has to ask what was the root cause of the financial crisis at the state levels that are leading to the current standoff? Much is due to cutbacks in state funding caused by having to trim federal funding tied to bailing out the economy and floating hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up Wall Street for the mortgage meltdown that was allowed by several administrations worth of legislation permitting it to take place.
All the current debate over Wis and other states would carry more weight for me were it not that we are basically allowing the rape of the middle class to pay for the sins of government ineptitude and greed of the financial community that is held to a very different standard than that of those now asked to pay for their mistakes.
Should this sentiment prevail it will only be a matter of time before our military retirements are no longer sacrosanct, and I'll guarantee you you'll be singing a different tune then.
Don't disagree with you, and retired Mil as well, however one has to ask what was the root cause of the financial crisis at the state levels that are leading to the current standoff? Much is due to cutbacks in state funding caused by having to trim federal funding tied to bailing out the economy and floating hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up Wall Street for the mortgage meltdown that was allowed by several administrations worth of legislation permitting it to take place.
All the current debate over Wis and other states would carry more weight for me were it not that we are basically allowing the rape of the middle class to pay for the sins of government ineptitude and greed of the financial community that is held to a very different standard than that of those now asked to pay for their mistakes.
Should this sentiment prevail it will only be a matter of time before our military retirements are no longer sacrosanct, and I'll guarantee you you'll be singing a different tune then.
The problem isnt necessarily the teachers or the working employees, it is entitlements in general, by this I mean unearned benefits.
The states do not currently print their own money (despite South Carolina talking about it) so they have (imperative) to get their houses in order. Additionally, states cannot declare bankruptcy so currently they cannot un-a$$ their obligations.
I completely agree that if someone is counting on any aspect of their retirement from the federal government, they are delusional - You can still HOPE for it, but not count on it...This includes PBGC, Social Security, federal/military retirement. The deal is though, that if the federal meltdown happens, there will be fighting in the streets, no law enforcement, an absolute breakdown in everything that stabilizes our society.
There are no easy answers. Nazi Germany had its start in a situation quite similar to the one we find ourselves in. The real repair to our current quandry unfortunately has a strong Fascist flavor and "the people" are being unwittingly herded in that direction.
03-02-2011 | 05:50 AM
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If you want a different answer, ask a different question. I gave you what you asked for.
I really don't know what you're looking for. Do you want to debate something? Do you disagree with the fact that DAL continues to get closer to the 255 large RJ limit? In the last 2 months we have seen 8 70 seaters go to Skywest, 7 E170's go to RAH, & 12 E170's go to Compass.
What's to argue?
I really don't know what you're looking for. Do you want to debate something? Do you disagree with the fact that DAL continues to get closer to the 255 large RJ limit? In the last 2 months we have seen 8 70 seaters go to Skywest, 7 E170's go to RAH, & 12 E170's go to Compass.
What's to argue?
03-02-2011 | 05:55 AM
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I'm tired of hearing ALPA tell me that the number of DCI air frames are decreasing. Every single recent announcement has been negative recently.
... There is nothing we can do about it, but we can at least acknowledge the fact that our scope is the worst in the industry and it is still under attack...
... There is nothing we can do about it, but we can at least acknowledge the fact that our scope is the worst in the industry and it is still under attack...
There is something we can do about it though.
We can force our union to acknowledge that Republic is flying in violation of our scope clause. They have been ever since they bought Frontier but we will have another shot at "doing something about it" in the very near future.
The NMB is about to declare that Republic is a single transportation system (duh). This would be a real good time to finally file that grievance and shut down the codesharing/subsidizing that goes on with Republic/Chautuqua/Shuttle America/Frontier/Midwest/Lynx.
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