Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-03-2011 | 04:56 AM
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By blaming JC Lawson, you give him too much credit. It was company policy that new hires resign their seniority. Management chose not to change it and would never have considered it unless we opened up the contract and gave something up.
However, JC saw an opportunity and chose to exploit it, seeking more scope relief or a flow-through or whatever. When he was rebuffed, he chose to write the letter and twist the knife a bit more, when he could've simply written a letter of support, even though he was powerless to change it.
There's plenty to loathe about JC, especially his stance on this issue, but never forget it was management that ultimately decided not to help the DAL furloughs. Many of us line pilots vehemently disagreed.
However, JC saw an opportunity and chose to exploit it, seeking more scope relief or a flow-through or whatever. When he was rebuffed, he chose to write the letter and twist the knife a bit more, when he could've simply written a letter of support, even though he was powerless to change it.
There's plenty to loathe about JC, especially his stance on this issue, but never forget it was management that ultimately decided not to help the DAL furloughs. Many of us line pilots vehemently disagreed.
I agree that the "issue" is bigger than JC Lawson. I also hope for the best for the Comair pilots. The sad reality is that the Comair pilots hitched their wagon to a company/MEC that wanted to extend its reach. While this is quite understandable for the company, it is the MEC that overstepped. The current Comair pilots are reaping the effects of that policy/strategy.
I have personally commuted on Comair with some regularity and never met a Comair pilot I didnt like, but that is not the issue.
04-03-2011 | 05:37 AM
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04-03-2011 | 05:42 AM
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GMAB. Honestly I have no ill will towards you what so ever. We differ on which organization should represent us, nothing more than that. I disagree with people all of the time, but that does not mean that I am "out to get them."
Some of your points and concerns are valid, and some I disagree with.
Some of your points and concerns are valid, and some I disagree with.
Look. All the above is just statement of the obvious. The bottom line is that another poster asked a rhetorical question. That question was intended to be derogatory and make the tired, old point: "If you're so smart, then why don't you run for office?" You chimed in very quickly to answer the question for me. Could have easily waited to let me answer it. I think you came off as rude and a smart @ss. But I'm willing to let it go and forgive and forget. You're the one who brought it up again.
04-03-2011 | 06:04 AM
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04-03-2011 | 06:14 AM
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A little sensitive today, ACL?
Look. All the above is just statement of the obvious. The bottom line is that another poster asked a rhetorical question. That question was intended to be derogatory and make the tired, old point: "If you're so smart, then why don't you run for office?" You chimed in very quickly to answer the question for me. Could have easily waited to let me answer it. I think you came off as rude and a smart @ss. But I'm willing to let it go and forgive and forget. You're the one who brought it up again.
Look. All the above is just statement of the obvious. The bottom line is that another poster asked a rhetorical question. That question was intended to be derogatory and make the tired, old point: "If you're so smart, then why don't you run for office?" You chimed in very quickly to answer the question for me. Could have easily waited to let me answer it. I think you came off as rude and a smart @ss. But I'm willing to let it go and forgive and forget. You're the one who brought it up again.
Sensitive no, just a downer of a day yesterday.
04-03-2011 | 06:14 AM
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Actually, I was referring more to being on committees and such.. you know.. the place where the real heavy lifting is done... That is where the real politics are too... Getting elected to an LEC position is much much easier IMO.
04-03-2011 | 06:22 AM
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You are correct that the committee structure does the heavy lifting. They do the work, but I would not state that it is super difficult to get on to a committee. You do have to have the ability to add to the committee though.
04-03-2011 | 06:27 AM
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04-03-2011 | 06:28 AM
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bullsqueeze and if this discussion continues, we will be going around in circles again...
04-03-2011 | 06:47 AM
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Funny, except likely one of the many full time flight pay loss volunteers is spending your dues dollars to produce it. Wonder where Spakler's IP pings from? Herndon or close to Virginia Ave?
Here's a fair question: what percentage of DAL pilots make over $250K/year?
Now what percentage of DAL ALPA volunteers make over $250K/yr?
Are ALPA volunteer tax returns or compensation public domain and obtainable under the FOIA and Labor Department reporting rules?
Here's a fair question: what percentage of DAL pilots make over $250K/year?
Now what percentage of DAL ALPA volunteers make over $250K/yr?
Are ALPA volunteer tax returns or compensation public domain and obtainable under the FOIA and Labor Department reporting rules?
Unless you have some evidence, veiled allegations of corruption do not advance the debate. They are pretty much pointless and really not welcome.
There is plenty to criticize about ALPA. We do it every day. However, I don't think you'll find the participants here on this forum willing to accept that the local pilots who work for ALPA are doing it because of the money.
Its that bloated beast of a bureaucracy up in Herndon that needs to be brought under control. The local pilots doing committee work are really not the problem. Except to the extent that they protect the beast and its budget.
I don't think its fair to question those guys' motives. I know some of them and I've been watching all of them for many years. They're not crooks. They're good people with good intentions. They're just too loyal to the machine. Too entrenched.
We're slowly chipping away at that mindset. Convincing them of the need for reform.
Welcome to the fight.
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