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Old 04-14-2011, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate View Post
Cliff notes answer is there is no violation to pursue.
Ya know I was thinking about this. I just read the entire NMB ruling and something popped in to my head.

The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.

That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.

All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate View Post
Cliff notes answer is there is no violation to pursue.
Taking your post as true at face value, then DALPA owes us an official explanation as to WHY there is no scope violation. I told my rep I want one (everyone reading this should click on their rep's e-mail link and do the same thing), and I think we all deserve it. Surely, Contract Admin can generate a plain English version of the DALPA position.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate View Post
Cliff notes answer is there is no violation to pursue.

Enemy;

I am going to make two assumptions based upon what you just wrote:

1. You are an elected union representative. I make this assumption because noone can read section 1 and come to the conclusion you stated above.

2. You do not desire to be re-elected to an LEC position.


When I typed these two assumptions, I had a complete quote of what enemy had posted. Afterward, he completed his post. Rather than delete my response to his (incomplete) post, I just decided to leave it. There are 2 things I encourage everyone who reads this board to do:

1. Read section 1, there is some legaleze, but when you have the definitions, and the language, you cant conclude there is nothing here.

2. Contact your reps after educating yourself and strongly encourage them to file a grievance.

Section 1 is the most important part of the contract. If we dont defend it, we dont deserve our jobs.

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Old 04-14-2011, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Ya know I was thinking about this. I just read the entire NMB ruling and something popped in to my head.

The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.

That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.

All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
Contact your reps (no need to tell you that ) I did, interesting
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Enemy;

I am going to make two assumptions based upon what you just wrote:

1. You are an elected union representative. I make this assumption because noone can read section 1 and come to the conclusion you stated above.

2. You do not desire to be re-elected to an LEC position.
How do you see that?

I got that from the DALPA forum, but like I said, wait until the communication comes out. There is a Special MEC Meeting next week, and I am sure this will be one of many items discussed.

After thoroughly reading the NMB ruling (impartial third party btw) their conclusions may be used in defense of our section one.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123 View Post
Contact your reps (no need to tell you that ) I did, interesting
You think I am not in contact with my reps? Ha, I have been for quite some time, and I give them my direction all of the time. I have presented facts with my opinion, and now it is up to them to arrive at a decision.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Enemy;

I am going to make two assumptions based upon what you just wrote:

1. You are an elected union representative. I make this assumption because noone can read section 1 and come to the conclusion you stated above.

2. You do not desire to be re-elected to an LEC position.
Re-read the post. Hit send before I had finished.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Ya know I was thinking about this. I just read the entire NMB ruling and something popped in to my head.

The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.

That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.

All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
Somebody earlier asked if RAH will fly anything other than AIrbus/190s for Frontier. Well here you go.

****** Fresh off the Press-->"""The route will be operated on Frontier’s 37-seat Embraer 135 aircraft and feature continuing service to Ironwood Gogebic-Iron County Airport in Michigan’s upper peninsula.

TEN
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
You think I am not in contact with my reps? Ha, I have been for quite some time, and I give them my direction all of the time. I have presented facts with my opinion, and now it is up to them to arrive at a decision.
What do you think means? I am sure you talk to your reps and the like all the time.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post
Somebody earlier asked if RAH will fly anything other than AIrbus/190s for Frontier. Well here you go.

****** Fresh off the Press-->"""The route will be operated on Frontier’s 37-seat Embraer 135 aircraft and feature continuing service to Ironwood Gogebic-Iron County Airport in Michigan’s upper peninsula.

TEN
That is was my point and something that I know needs to be further looked it to. Is sure appears that the holding company is directing the many certificates to fly branded flying.

BTW that service used to be performed by Midwest Connect.
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