Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-14-2011, 10:24 AM
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Even if we take Republic to court and the planes go elsewhere to still be flown under Delta colors, I would consider it a win. We need to show Richard Anderson and other Delta management that we are serious about our scope section. Skywest is next in line to do the exact same thing Republic is doing.
04-14-2011, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That is was my point and something that I know needs to be further looked it to. Is sure appears that the holding company is directing the many certificates to fly branded flying.
BTW that service used to be performed by Midwest Connect.
BTW that service used to be performed by Midwest Connect.
.Delta needs to pull away from this kind of business. Why should Delta subsidize RAH, while RAH is directly competing with Delta?
I checked this morning, Frontier Flights on Airbus go Den-Atl, Den-Msp, Den-Lga, Den-Dtw, Den-Lax, Den-Sea etc.. Mke has a lot of Frontier Flights that compete with our bases too.
If competition is the name of the game, then lets keep this pure and have each company compete without subsidy.
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04-14-2011, 10:33 AM
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If ALPA just leaves you guys out to dry on this, maybe that will be the end of ALPA at Delta and maybe finally get something things changed in that union, if not the end of it. I'm sure if they don't do anything to protect your scope, the pitch forks and torches will come out.
04-14-2011, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Even if we take Republic to court and the planes go elsewhere to still be flown under Delta colors, I would consider it a win. We need to show Richard Anderson and other Delta management that we are serious about our scope section. Skywest is next in line to do the exact same thing Republic is doing.
04-14-2011, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Ya know I was thinking about this. I just read the entire NMB ruling and something popped in to my head.
The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.
That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.
All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.
That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.
All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
Carl
04-14-2011, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate
Re-read the post. Hit send before I had finished.
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04-14-2011, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes it certainly is acl, but due diligence will NOT be done. There are bigger strategies in play at national. I wish it wasn't so, but it is so.
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I would not say that. I have been on the phone a bunch the last few days, and many are interested in the implications of the NMB ruling.
04-14-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl;
I would not say that. I have been on the phone a bunch the last few days, and many are interested in the implications of the NMB ruling.
I would not say that. I have been on the phone a bunch the last few days, and many are interested in the implications of the NMB ruling.
04-14-2011, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I was thinking the other day (I know, scary...) but it's possible that the company might "appreciate" DALPA bringing up a scope issue. It might be the sword that the company needs to address Frontier using larger airplanes on routes that compete with Delta.
04-14-2011, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Ya know I was thinking about this. I just read the entire NMB ruling and something popped in to my head.
The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.
That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.
All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
The "Republic" Certificate is doing Frontier Coded flying. Now to the best of my knowledge there is not CPA(Capacity Purchase Agreement) between Republic and F9 for these 190's to be doing this flying. Therefore, the holding company; RJET, must be the one that determined that Republic (certificate) perform this F9 flying.
That sounds like Single Carrier status at the Holding company level to me.
All I know is that after reading this ruling due diligence in this matter is needed.
Chautauqua's certificate says they are doing business as Frontier.
Federal Aviation Administration - Airline Certificate Information - Detail View
That is a "certificate" that we codeshare with doing flying on behalf of a "certificate" that operates "other than permitted aircraft types".
There's a scope violation right there. Even using ALPA's weird definitions.
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