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Old 02-05-2011 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
FYI, From DAL 3Q report

"Excludes our orders for five A319-100 and two A320-200 aircraft because we have the right to cancel these orders."
Heyas Reroute,

Those orders have been on the books for as long as anyone can remember.

They are "placeholders" for options.

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Old 02-05-2011 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I've been suspicious for some time now about ALPA national's agenda. Those suspicions were erased today by the latest Air Line Pilot magazine. The following is part of an interview of Capt Moak on page 12:

ALPA staff: What do you think are or should be ALPA's highest priorities in collective bargaining? Contract enforcement? Safety? Security?

Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities. At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession. Contracts that focus solely on self-interests will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us."

This should put to rest the myth that local leaders do the negotiating and decide their own contracts. I'm posting this on the DPA thread as well for those here that don't know about it.

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Maybe that is good news and what he really means by that is he intends to withhold signature on any PWA that does not contain adequate gains all around, including scope recapture. That would certainly be for the greater good, right? I'm sure that's what he meant...
Old 02-05-2011 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas Reroute,

Those orders have been on the books for as long as anyone can remember.

They are "placeholders" for options.

Nu
Makes sense. I suppose it keeps DAL at the front of the line
Old 02-05-2011 | 09:30 PM
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although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, I really do serve a purpose...

beyond just posting pictures of 80, who right now is OWNED by 737 crew scheduling. More 80? Sure, here is 80ktsclamp (far right) the high school which reminds me- who are we to judge his hand placement on mom's hips?

If you see me walking funny through ops, it's because crew scheduling has attached their leash far into my nether regions. I bid to the 73N to be more senior, and I've done nothing but moved backward. I'm gonna

I got in from a redeye at 6am and then had to be right back at work for a 2045 sign in tonight. Googly. Moogly. I ran into another fellow 73N reserve and she just started laughing when she saw me... had seen the assignment on iCrew. Stalker.

As far as the picture, I think you have the wrong guy. The dude motorboating the bride was me. This one can't be right as I'm an only child. I expected more of you. I am thoroughly creeped out by the husbandly hand on mom by son.



Oh, and if Carl doesn't look like Bill Murray in real life, I want a full refund from APC.
Old 02-06-2011 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Carl, you're missing the fact that alfa was talking about 777s, not 747s. We have 18 777s and on the Feb category list 627 pilots, for an average of 34.8 pilots/acft.
I guess that's what threw me. The 744 and the 777 have the same mission. Nearly every time it takes off, it is with a crew of 4 - just like the 777. Yet the 744 has 28 pilots per aircraft, compared to the 777 at 35 pilots per aircraft.

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So, alfa rounded it to 4x when apparently its actually about 3.1 -- still pretty significant difference.
"Rounding" up from 3.1 to 4 isn't rounding...it's exaggerating.

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Old 02-06-2011 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
What, "local leaders" chart the course of negotiations and through "their members" set priorities. That's just terrible Carl.
Interesting that you would just quote the first sentence of Moak's response, instead of the rest of it. I'll repost the whole answer for you because I wanted you to read just a little further.

Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities. At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession. Contracts that focus solely on self-interests will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us."

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Old 02-06-2011 | 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Maybe that is good news and what he really means by that is he intends to withhold signature on any PWA that does not contain adequate gains all around, including scope recapture. That would certainly be for the greater good, right? I'm sure that's what he meant...
I'm sure too.

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Old 02-06-2011 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities. At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession. Contracts that focus solely on self-interests will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us."

Carl
Carl, I think that is an EXCELLENT national philosophy. What Capt. Moak just said was, "If you, Delta ALPA, sell out scope for higher pay rates then your contract is focused 'solely on self-interests and will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us.'" How true!

What's not to like about that? By my line of thinking, any contract that increases outsourcing to the lowest bidder violates his objective, and thus he has offered national level resources to ensure the greater good for the entire profession. Anyone who thinks the greater good rests with more outsourcing to the lowest bidder is wrong; and no where in his statement does he indicate that is his purpose. Similarly, any regional contract that tries to undermine a fellow regional is also focused "solely on self-interests and will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us" and thus, is also, against national ALPA policy.
Old 02-06-2011 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oh, and if Carl doesn't look like Bill Murray in real life, I want a full refund from APC.
Well I look a little different. As you can see, my love of Japanese food has led to a significant man-boob problem.






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Old 02-06-2011 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Carl, I think that is an EXCELLENT national philosophy.
I thought you would.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
What Capt. Moak just said was, "If you, Delta ALPA, sell out scope for higher pay rates then your contract is focused 'solely on self-interests and will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us.'"
Really? That's what he said? Strange, but I didn't read your quote anywhere in his interview. I'll go read it again.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
What's not to like about that? By my line of thinking, any contract that increases outsourcing to the lowest bidder violates his objective, and thus he has offered national level resources to ensure the greater good for the entire profession.
You have a right to your line of thinking, but you forget that it was Capt. Moak (and his predecessors) that DID allow outsourcing to the lowest bidder. As a matter of fact, Capt. Moak has publicly stated over and over that RJ's are good for Delta Air Lines.

I believe the evidence is clear from Moak's history that what he meant was that any attempt to recapture Scope by the majors will hurt our regional brothers and will be considered "self-interests"...which will be fought by ALPA national with its considerable resources.

Carl
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