Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Anyone have info on a nice, clean commuter pad in the Kew Gardens area. I'm transferring to JFK in March. Thanks.
) I hear there is a "black ops" unit up there devoted to the task.
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Not future looking if the net increase is due to more WB A and less NB A.
I find it disingenuous when the talking heads try and portray a net loss of domestic NB flying to fewer RJ's (but more 76 seaters) as a "win" because it shifts the demographic curve more towards WB flying. Nice if you are in the seniority to get those extra WB A seats. Nice for junior F/O's who will get a WB B sooner, but still a net loss.
I find it disingenuous when the talking heads try and portray a net loss of domestic NB flying to fewer RJ's (but more 76 seaters) as a "win" because it shifts the demographic curve more towards WB flying. Nice if you are in the seniority to get those extra WB A seats. Nice for junior F/O's who will get a WB B sooner, but still a net loss.
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This is exactly what worries me about this latest development with our fleet plans. I think a bunch of junior MD-88 and DC-9 Captains are no longer going to be able to hold Captain. And then, as you point out, it will be that much longer before a bunch of First Officers will be able to upgrade to Captain. I've seen a lot of spinning of numbers here, but I'm still waiting for someone to show how this will not happen. Perhaps I've missed it? Anyone care to take a stab at this one?
I'm probably not looking at this right, but here's what I see.
34 DC9-50's parked/30 MD90's brought to the line. In just that I see 4 less airplanes.
Now this last AE had 100+ CA vacancies, and a handful were 73N. It may increase upgrade time. IDK. I can tell you that I've flown with some 320 CA's who are considering going back to WB FO because they don't like the domestic flying. We saw some NB CA's bail back to WB FO on this last AE for likely the same reason. I don't know if the MD90's will replace the exact the flying the DC9 was doing, but they have to replace something.
What's more disturbing is what we already know. A lot of the DC9 flying will continue to be replaced by RJ's flown by pilots who are not on the Delta Seniority list. This is not how we improve our product, but you and I already know that. I just hope we can continue to harp how important it is to recapture the flying. While we often disagree, I KNOW we agree on that.
This is exactly what worries me about this latest development with our fleet plans. I think a bunch of junior MD-88 and DC-9 Captains are no longer going to be able to hold Captain. And then, as you point out, it will be that much longer before a bunch of First Officers will be able to upgrade to Captain. I've seen a lot of spinning of numbers here, but I'm still waiting for someone to show how this will not happen. Perhaps I've missed it? Anyone care to take a stab at this one?
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Awesome! More flying with fewer pilots! Which side are you negotiating for? Sounds like a page out of management's wish list.
The best job protection is NOT no-furlough clauses not worth the paper they're written on. The best furlough protection are aircraft OPERATED by the mainline and FLOWN by Delta pilots, no matter the size. EVERY seat is worthwile, NOT just the ones you feel "are worth it". Every seat is worth it.
Where do we find such people?
And how about that MEC meeting where the representative to the BOD is selected? Who scheduled that meeting right before the term for the incoming reps? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a rep who will serve out a term coincident with the LEC members that select him/her?
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The best job protection is NOT no-furlough clauses not worth the paper they're written on. The best furlough protection are aircraft OPERATED by the mainline and FLOWN by Delta pilots, no matter the size. EVERY seat is worthwile, NOT just the ones you feel "are worth it". Every seat is worth it.
Where do we find such people?
And how about that MEC meeting where the representative to the BOD is selected? Who scheduled that meeting right before the term for the incoming reps? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a rep who will serve out a term coincident with the LEC members that select him/her?
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In January of 2010 we had 509,924 pilot credit hours which required 2,274 wide body Captains and 2,103 narrow body captains.
In January of 2011 we had 559,151 pilot credit hours which required 2,372 wide body Captains and 2,208 narrow body captains.
Which of those numbers is disturbing or pro management? I am talking about flying MORE hours and needing more pilots. I could give a damn how many airplanes it takes to do it, THAT is management's job. Our hours are growing and we need more pilots, and pal that is the ONLY furlough protection you will ever have that makes a difference. Management is buying 50 MD-90's and I think there are only 5 or 6 on the line right now. Each MD-90 will produce many more pilot jobs than one DC-9.
Why don't you just admit you are wrong? The trend is going in the right direction. We are adding more mainline pilot hours and requiring more pilots. I don't care about total pilot count because we are moving pilots from non flying status to flying status. Isn't that good? Didn't pilots get hired to fly Delta jets and not sit on Mil Leave (thanks for your service, in no way am I trying to denigrate being on Mil Leave) or Furlough Bypass.
As for the BOD rep election, who cares really. We have new reps coming in all the time. If you waited until the MEC was fixed, you would never have an election. Why don't you find something else to cry about, the topics seem endless for you. Time to go get some food, pick up is in a few hours.
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