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Old 02-03-2011 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sawdog
Are the DC-9s going to stay put at current bases until they are phased out or are they still plan on putting them in ATL? Doesnt seem logical to send them to ATL which will create a lot of training events.
Third hand info, but apparently RA mentioned last week while traveling that we are going to slow/stop aircraft basing changes because of the excess cost to all the training. Just passing on info I was told.
Old 02-03-2011 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Third hand info, but apparently RA mentioned last week while traveling that we are going to slow/stop aircraft basing changes because of the excess cost to all the training. Just passing on info I was told.
They may want to, otherwise the dust will never settle.
Old 02-03-2011 | 07:41 PM
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You're making assertions and implying motivations. That should make you a little uncomfortable. You still haven't acknowledged the timeline either.

It's unfortunate in my view that you choose to describe yourself in that manner in your closing sentence. Maybe someday you'll get that as a Delta pilot our interests are aligned, whether it's old, young, junior or senior.
look slowplay,
I'm not sure what has you all fired up and I'm not sure what timeline you are talking about.
I offered you the ability to call/email/PM me to avoid any namecalling.

My line about me as a Delta pilot is my (apparently not so successful) attempt of a humorous interpretation of your characterization of me.

Call me if you care to discuss this
I'll be on the ground by 12:30 EST

Cheers
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Old 02-03-2011 | 08:05 PM
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DennyCrane just has one short question in regards to what Ed B. said at the investor conference.

Were his lips moving????

DENNYCRANE!!!!
Old 02-03-2011 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
DennyCrane just has one short question in regards to what Ed B. said at the investor conference.

Were his lips moving????

DENNYCRANE!!!!
I just want to know if he's sleeping well tonight! My guess is he probably is.
Old 02-03-2011 | 08:16 PM
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Anyone speak Spanish?

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They could have been talking encrypted navajo into a moving desk fan and I still would have understood what they were saying.
Old 02-03-2011 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I just want to know if he's sleeping well tonight! My guess is he probably is.
Probably like a baby. I'll never forget what he said in his bankruptcy hearing testimony.

Denny
Old 02-04-2011 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Third hand info, but apparently RA mentioned last week while traveling that we are going to slow/stop aircraft basing changes because of the excess cost to all the training. Just passing on info I was told.
Its a great way to save money is you are in "savings" mode as well. Ya know, build a war chest.
Old 02-04-2011 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Third hand info, but apparently RA mentioned last week while traveling that we are going to slow/stop aircraft basing changes because of the excess cost to all the training. Just passing on info I was told.
At the Memphis base meeting they said they didn't see any fleets changing bases in the near future. They wanted to wait and see before jumping. They mentioned that when they opened and then had to close the NY 777 base right away they had lost more money then the snow storm.

Who knows though.
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Just a few facts to assuage the fears that have stirred around here lately. First, all jets are not created equal. We have added 10 777's to the fleet, which are the international adds since 2007. Those 10 aircraft produce as many pilot jobs as 40 DC-9's. That's right 40. The 9's are old and break a lot and so they don't fly much per day on average, they have lots of spares. Almost every time a 777 takes off there are 4 pilots in the cockpit. So the 80 or 90 DC-9's that have been parked since 2007 could be replaced by 10 777's and about 30 737's and MD-90's. At the investors conference call in December, Ed Bastian said that between 2010 and 2011 we will purchase 50 MD-90's.

If you look at the bid monitor report, you will see that in Jan 2010 our staffing formula required 9301 pilots. In January 2011 it's 9911. Someone talked about trend vectors, I'm not sure but that seems like a good trend. You can also see that we had 768 pilots on Mil Leave and furlough bypass in 2010. In 2011 it's 636. So the total pilot numbers have gone down, but the number of pilots in flying positions has gone up. We also have 82 new hires that have yet to cycle into active flying.

When DAL/NWA merged, the DAL contract allowed 63 76 seat aircraft and a total of 200 51+ seat aircraft. The NWA contract allowed 90 76 seat aircraft. Add those together and you would get a total of 153 76 seat aircraft and 290 of 51+. What we ended up with was 153 76 seat aircraft and 255 51+. So while it was not a tremendous gain, it was 12% reduction in total airframes allowed. That is another trend in the right direction.

When fuel goes higher, the airline will eliminate frequency and upgauge markets. The DC-9 flying will be replaced by MD-90's as they come on line, that is why there is a 12-18 month wind down of those airplanes, they need the MD-90's to get their mods. The new 70 seaters announced, and you should expect them to go up to the limit, will replace 50 seat flying, probably on a 3 for 5 basis. The MD-90's will also replace 50 seat flying by drastically reducing gauge. At the investor's conference they talked about how they have reduced ATL-DAB from 7 flights per day to 4 and the average gauge has gone from 66 seats to 138 (that is on slide 24 if you want to look). They are also getting more use out of each airframe because the larger network means you have less aircraft sitting around at out stations waiting to turn back into the hub.

I will go back to my first point. The pilots required figure has gone up by 600 in the last year. That will continue to grow as high fuel prices force decreased frequency and upgauging in markets. I don't think it will lead to massive hiring because we are slowly reconfiguring the pilot bases to have less deadheading which reduces the need for pilots.

While it is disconcerting to see management take the 51+ aircraft up to the limit, it should not have been unexpected. The JCBA did have a 12% reduction from the individual contracts and that is a decent first step. The trends are moving in the opposite direction from the last 10 years, you just have to dig a little deeper than the Yahoo Airline News headlines to find them.
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