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12-03-2010, 05:46 AM

#53931

alfaromeo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Bankruptcy was unavoidable, I still dont understand how ALPA missed that.

No one went into that deal with any misconceptions that we had for sure saved the company. We took a shot and it didn't work. What we did have was a greater degree of control over our fate. Rather than accept the scheduling cramdown that happened at US Air, United, and to a lesser extent Northwest, we had the time to create an entirely new system that provided efficiencies close to Southwest while also maintaining a lifestyle that had you home more days a month than working, even for narrow body pilots. I know reserve isn't commutable but Delta was never a commuter airline so the system was designed for the vast majority of pilots that lived in base. We also took a stab at freezing the pension to retain earned benefits, but that didn't work either.

At the time we said "this deal sucks but bankruptcy will be worse." It was worse.

12-03-2010, 05:49 AM

#53932

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

interesting info slow.*

Some of it highly misleading.

It surprises me to see slowplay defend anything about the robber baron regime that ran Delta during that period.
The VP of Tech Ops is a "SERPent". He got one of the trust accounts.
Yes, the excess benefit (non-qualified) portion of management pensions was terminated in bankruptcy, AFTER the money (plussed up for taxes) was all paid out to the serp beneficiaries in the form of secular trusts.

And this:
"Nobody in management has an individual contract."

That might be the doozy of all misleading statements.

12-03-2010, 05:50 AM

#53933

alfaromeo

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

This is the single reason why our profession is not what it used to be. This lead to scope concessions, our ridiculous pay cuts, lost pensions, etc. If ALPA would have told the company that we have contracts and are not willing to negotiate, we might have taken some pay cuts and still lost some pensions, but we would undeniably be in a better spot than we are now. We would have our highest paying contracts in history as a starting point in bankruptcy. It would have been at all carriers including US Airways. I put this solely on ALPA national as all the legacy airlines were in the same spot. ALPA's strategy was the same at every carrier and it failed miserably.

How did that work for United? They went into Ch11 with their C2K contract and came out much worse than we did. They still are by a long shot. They will never recover the amount of money we did from our claim and note. Sounds like your strategy has been proven to not work. Looks like you failed miserably to even look at history just a few years back. I am sure it would have worked for you though.

12-03-2010, 05:59 AM

#53934

alfaromeo

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

The other MISERABLE failure was to accept the first offer in BK. The NWA flight attendants refused the first 3 BK contracts until they got one they thought they could barely live with. The NWA flight attendants were willing to risk having a contract imposed on them, and live with it until the company emerged from BK. At which time their imposed contract immediately expired. They were willing to take that risk. Ultimately, the company was not and upped the ante 3 additional times to entice the FA's to sign a contract that was not imposed.

Hawaiin Airlines pilots also turned down their TA in BK. They were not scared of living under an imposed contract for the same reason as our FA's. Hawaiin pilots got significant increases in all areas in their second TA...which they ultimately signed.

Both NWA and DAL pilots...signed the very first offer that came down from management and the judge. No snapbacks, no nothing. Just signed it.

Carl

Another excellent rewrite of history. The Northwest FA's rejected deals and their contract was rejected. That means they had a contract designed by management. They said they would strike and they were given a federal injunction barring them from striking. When they saw everyone else getting large bankruptcy claims they went crawling back to management and accepted their imposed "contract" in exchange for a small claim. Our non-contract flight attendants came out of bankruptcy better than they did. In fact, one of their "interference" claims is that Delta management is flouting the superior deal the non contract F/A's have. Even the AFA doesn't agree with your claim.

DAL first offered their bankruptcy ask to ALPA in August 2005. The final deal was signed in April 2006, 8 months later. It was not the first offer that came down from management it was not 10th or 20th, it was after a long series of negotiations, we took them to court, we took them to an arbitration, we organized our strike committee, we picketed, we took many actions that gave us the best bankruptcy deal amongst all the other carriers.

Aloha went into bankruptcy and they liquidated. Using your Hawaiin logic, you can say ALPA saved your job. All bankruptcies are different.

For a guy that claims so much experience, you seem to never get your facts or your history straight.

12-03-2010, 06:00 AM

#53935

dragon

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More Fifi?

Sorry to interrupt the bankruptcy discussion, but here is something from Bloomberg

Quote:

Delta Air Lines Inc. will weigh adding a more fuel-efficient version of Airbus SAS’s narrow-body A320 to its fleet, historically dominated by Boeing Co. jets.

“Like everyone else, we’ll look closer at the A320 to see if it might merit deeper consideration for our long-term fleet plans,” Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson said last night in a weekly recorded message to employees.

Airbus said earlier this week it will offer new engines for its single-aisle A320 aircraft series that can increase fuel efficiency by 15 percent. The planes, which will be available in 2016, compete with Boeing’s 737.

“We wish Boeing would do the same, but it doesn’t look like the 737 will have much innovation in the coming years.”

Boeing Commercial Airplanes CEO Jim Albaugh said in October that the business case for new engines is “not as compelling as we’d like to see.”

About two-thirds of Delta’s fleet at the end of September consisted of jets from Chicago-based Boeing and companies it has acquired. Delta gained Airbus planes when it bought Northwest Airlines Corp. in 2008.

Delta has repeatedly said that it doesn’t plan to purchase many new planes in the immediate future, and is instead spending $1 billion on its existing fleet to add flat-bed seats and first-class cabins.

Delta’s narrow-body jets include more than 100 MD-88s that are about 20 years old on average, about 50 DC-9s that are 34 years, and about 70 A320s that are 16 years old, according to a regulatory filing for the third quarter.

“While we’re pretty happy with our fleet today, we’re always watching changes in the capability of aircraft,” Anderson said.

Delta Looks at Airbus A320 for Boeing-Dominated Fleet - Bloomberg

12-03-2010, 06:03 AM

#53936

acl65pilot

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Yep, Airbus is forcing the issue with Boeing. Airbus can hang a GTF on the 320, but the clearance on the 73N is too low. It will have to be a clean sheet design.

12-03-2010, 06:04 AM

#53937

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Delta’s Secular Trust Recipients

NAME
TITLE
NET TRUST PAYMENT W/ TAX "GROSS-UP"
BENEFIT AFTER TAXES

William E. Barnette
President, ASA Holdings Inc.
$815,974
$447,648

Robert Bell
Vice president, schedule development
$217,651
$117,074

Harold L. Bevis Jr.
Vice president, public affairs
$340,236
$184,798

John W. Boatright
Vice president, real estate
$363,411
$197,544

Walter A. Brill
Vice president, associate general counsel
$462,768
$253,174

M. Michele Burns
Exec. VP & CFO
$790,529
$435,660

Frederick W.P. Buttrell
President and CEO, Delta Connection Inc.
$93,361
$50,450

Vincent Caminiti
Sr. vice president, profitability initiatives
$545,999
$300,610

Anthony N. Charaf
Sr. vice president, Delta Air Logistics
$104,761
$55,505

Robert Colman
Exec. VP, HR
$2.1 million
$1.1 million

Terry M. Erskine
Vice president, labor relations
$1.3 million
$732,269

Vicki Escarra
Exec. vice president, marketing
$1.6 million
$884,262

Robert Harkey
Sr. VP, general counsel
$2.5 million
$1.4 million

Michael D. Keen
General Attorney II
$125,166
$88,446

Leslie P. Klemperer
Vice president, associate general counsel, secretary
$298,195
$162,280

Joseph Licitra
Vice president, airport customer service east
$100,640
$52,162

Lee A. Macenczak
Sr. vice president, sales and distribution
$200,825
$108,640

Paul Matsen
Sr. vice president, international alliances
$182,853
$99,420

Patrice Miles
Vice president, consumer marketing
$114,829
$60,602

Leo Mullin
Chairman & chief executive
$8.2 million
$4.5 million

Leon A. Piper
Vice president, worldwide benefits
$478,679
$261,823

Frederick Reid
President & COO
$1.5 million
$844,547

Gregory Riggs
Vice president - deputy general counsel
$544,614
$298,501

Thomas Slocum
Sr. vice president, corporate communications
$292,733
$159,728

James B. Taylor
Delta Benefit Trust
$332,425
$ 181,061

Ray Valeika
Sr. vice president, technical operations
$390,538
$214,406

John Varley
Assoc. General Counsel
$143,086
$76,240

William J. Williams
President and CEO, Delta Employees Credit Union
$251,547
$136,657

Lemuel Wimbish Jr.
Vice president, airport customer service Worldport
$95,545
$50,267

Donald Scott Yohe
Sr. vice president, government affairs
$791,780
$435,548

Michael M. Young
Vice president, community affairs
$111,642
$58,100

W. Paul Zampol
General Attorney II
$70,666
$35,943

Joseph Zang
General Attorney II
$94,253
$49,004

12-03-2010, 06:56 AM

#53938

Flamer

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Anybody know what Reduced Lower Limit means? It is on the crew resources and sched page down where the ALVs for Jan are.

12-03-2010, 07:23 AM

#53939

iaflyer

seeing the large hubs...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamer

Anybody know what Reduced Lower Limit means? It is on the crew resources and sched page down where the ALVs for Jan are.

Hmm.. that's new. Lets see... Open the PWA.pdf ...search... "Reduced Lower Limit":

Exception two: In an international category with a limited mix of rotations, the lower limit of the LCW may be reduced (and noted in the bid package as the reduced LCW lower limit). This reduction is intended to allow the construction of a line for a pilot who otherwise would not be awarded a line. The published LCW lower limit may be waived to the reduced LCW lower limit at pilot request (through PBS) to allow a line award that is below the published LCW lower limit. A pilot who has elected the LCW waiver may be awarded a line below the LCW only after PBS is unable to award a line within the LCW. The Director – Crew Resources and the MEC Scheduling Committee Chairman will mutually agree to the reduced LCW lower limit for affected categories.

from LOA #20