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#58981

DAL 88 Driver , 02-06-2011 08:01 AM

At home on the maddog!

Well done, Scoop! Spot on.

#58982

Carl Spackler , 02-06-2011 08:16 AM

Back on TDY

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Originally Posted by Scoop

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I've been suspicious for some time now about ALPA national's agenda. Those suspicions were erased today by the latest Air Line Pilot magazine. The following is part of an interview of Capt Moak on page 12:

ALPA staff: What do you think are or should be ALPA's highest priorities in collective bargaining? Contract enforcement? Safety? Security?

Capt Moak: "...Local pilot leaders chart the course of negotiations and - through consensus of their members - make the decisions on priorities. At the national and international level, our highest priority is to help pilot leaders at different carriers visualize favorable contract patterns across the industry and provide the resources to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession. Contracts that focus solely on self-interests will inevitably lower the high standards that this union has established for eight decades and in the end hurt all of us."

This should put to rest the myth that local leaders do the negotiating and decide their own contracts. I'm posting this on the DPA thread as well for those here that don't know about it.

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Originally posted by Gloopy

Carl

Maybe that is good news and what he really means by that is he intends to withhold signature on any PWA that does not contain adequate gains all around, including scope recapture. That would certainly be for the greater good, right? I'm sure that's what he meant...

Guys,

This is great news, maybe ALPA will start pushing for higher Pilot entry standards - sort of like Doctors and Lawyers do. You know what would be a great start, lets see, Hmmmm, how about an Airline Transport Rating (ATP) to act as an Airline Transport Pilot? Short of that, how about at least raising the minimum hours required to 1500?

Either of these measures would be a great start to enable us " .... to reach a contract that ensures the greater good for the entire profession."

It would really help the connection Pilots raise their compensation levels which would be good for the whole industry. Just thinking about this plan is giving me a whole new respect for the ALPA Strategic long term strategy for the Profession.

I think that I am going to, huh,

"Whats that you say?"

"ALPA is against the 1500 hour rule?"

"Surely you are mistaken - I cant think of a better way to help elevate the whole profession from the bottom up."

"Well, ALPA is not really against the proposed 1500 hour rule, that would be a disastrous position to take with the DPA effort picking up momentum. Lets just say that ALPA supports the proposed rule, but with enough loopholes to gut it and seriously water it down."

"Yes, we wouldn't want regional costs to go up as the spokesmen for the regional airline associational has said would happen if the proposed 1500 hour rule went into affect."

"Well thats true, rising costs could be bad for Pilots."

"Specifically, what costs would go up?"

"Pilot salaries at the regionals."

"But, isn't that the......., Oh crap, I give up, nevermind."

Scoop
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Tip of the cap to you sir!

Carl

#58983

LandGreen2 , 02-06-2011 09:29 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Actually, that's not true. What I have said, and still believe, is that absent our fellow pilots doing their part instead of thumping their chests, it is unsustainable for Delta pilots pay rates to be 50+% above the industry average. We can be at the top, even some percentage above the next competitor, but not 50%.

PG:

could you please list each "competitor" that ALPA is considering to define industry average?

Will foreign carriers be added to industry average? Will Cargo carriers be included?

#58984

Bucking Bar , 02-06-2011 09:38 AM

Can't abide NAI

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I think the evidence is clear that Moak thinks any attempt to regain outsourced flying by the majors is a change in the status quo, and as such, will be fought by national.

But the main point is that Moak believes ALPA national has the right and the obligation to determine what a local's contract should be as it relates to the rest of the industry's "greater good." This is the most revealing and troubling part. He unwittingly lays out the truth for everyone to see. The truth is that local leadership does not negotiate their own contracts. ALPA national provides all the money and the vast majority of the resources. Lee just said that ALPA national's highest priority in collective bargaining is to use those resources at national to ENSURE that local contracts benefit the "greater good."

Carl

A. Makes our union more relevant

Airlines like SkyWest & Republic have grown and received flying by virtue of simply being non ALPA. ALPA will never win an organizing drive on these properties as long as the pilots there perceive a real benefit to being non-ALPA in the form of rapid growth and seniority.
In contrast, ALPA airlines with leading contracts have been destroyed, ie Comair.
If threatened with the loss of flying (non renewal of contracts with non ALPA airlines) airlines like SkyWest would fall in line instantly. They would see the value in ALPA membership (if you have 'em by the short hairs, their hearts and minds will follow) More effective than Pizza Parties at growing our union.

B. Makes our union more relevant (part II)

By controlling and coordinating bargaining at the National level, efforts could be made to end whipsaw of regional against regional and currently regional against mainline.
Management has ONE Bargaining Agent for labor - ALPA has a monopoly on pilot labor

C. Set minimums on labor (both in areas of qualifications and pay) for outsourced flying.

2. Teach ALPA membership the benefits of real unity & return to our core strengths:

Make ending outsourcing a long term strategic goal of our union.
Return the Constitution and Bylaws to their pre 1990's versions of "alter ego" and "operational integration."
Pursue mergers within airline brands as a way of ending alter ego replacement of labor while improving ALPA members careers. (non ALPA members are not our concern)
Use ALPA National's resources to investigate and develop new ways to bridge labor across operating certificates and corporate ownership. For instance, as long as the jet flies with Delta code, it is flown by Delta pilot in good standing with ALPA.

If we build a strong enough foundation in unity, there is no limit to what we could build on top of it.

#58985

Columbia , 02-06-2011 10:00 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

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Originally Posted by LandGreen2

PG:

could you please list each "competitor" that ALPA is considering to define industry average?

Will foreign carriers be added to industry average? Will Cargo carriers be included?

He's looking for his Mesa data.

#58986

shiznit , 02-06-2011 10:32 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Carl, Ending alter ego is consistent with benefiting the "greater good." But, let us not get political speech writing confused with reality. For an example you need not look any further than the fact our largest and most capable permitted jets are being operated at ALPA busting Tran States' Compass division. Those were pilots represented by our MEC at the date of corporate closure. Those were our jobs. Those should be our jets and our pilots. Compass pilots should have a Delta seniority number. That is the reality. Now the politics ... .

There are plenty of ways ALPA could use its' President's Office for the mutual gain and benefit of ALL ALPA MEMBERS:

1. Require outsourced flying be performed by ALPA members:
A. Makes our union more relevant
Airlines like SkyWest & Republic have grown and received flying by virtue of simply being non ALPA. ALPA will never win an organizing drive on these properties as long as the pilots there perceive a real benefit to being non-ALPA in the form of rapid growth and seniority.

In contrast, ALPA airlines with leading contracts have been destroyed, ie Comair.

If threatened with the loss of flying (non renewal of contracts with non ALPA airlines) airlines like SkyWest would fall in line instantly. They would see the value in ALPA membership (if you have 'em by the short hairs, their hearts and minds will follow) More effective than Pizza Parties at growing our union.

B. Makes our union more relevant (part II)
By controlling and coordinating bargaining at the National level, efforts could be made to end whipsaw of regional against regional and currently regional against mainline.

Management has ONE Bargaining Agent for labor - ALPA has a monopoly on pilot labor

C. Set minimums on labor (both in areas of qualifications and pay) for outsourced flying.

2. Teach ALPA membership the benefits of real unity & return to our core strengths:
Make ending outsourcing a long term strategic goal of our union.

Return the Constitution and Bylaws to their pre 1990's versions of "alter ego" and "operational integration."

Pursue mergers within airline brands as a way of ending alter ego replacement of labor while improving ALPA members careers. (non ALPA members are not our concern)

Use ALPA National's resources to investigate and develop new ways to bridge labor across operating certificates and corporate ownership. For instance, as long as the jet flies with Delta code, it is flown by Delta pilot in good standing with ALPA.

If we build a strong enough foundation in unity, there is no limit to what we could build on top of it.

So, so silly. That would require a PRO-active and forward thinking bureaucratic organization. That in itself is an oxy-moron.

On top of that, it would require the "better"(i.e. mainline pilots) to be willing to slum it and accept the obviously "lesser" (i.e. regional pilots) to share cockpits and crew lounges....The privileged don't associate with the commoners....You didn't know that?

BTW, I agree 100% with your type of strategic goal setting, theory of unity, and direction. Not enough think like that however.....

#58987

Columbia , 02-06-2011 10:49 AM

Gets Weekends Off

Dayton: Airport needs to have more options | StarTribune.com

Dayton: Airport needs to have more options

At MAC presentation, the governor said passengers would benefit from new competition. Delta welcomed change but said it offers plenty.

Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
"The airport belongs to the people," Dayton told more than 400 business people and government officials at a presentation in Bloomington by the Metropolitan Airports Commission.
Referring to Delta Air Lines' overwhelming presence at the airport, Dayton said there is a "need to bring in other options and alternatives" and establish "more of a competitive balance" in flights and pricing.
"It's important to me that the commission view its customers as first and foremost the people," he said.
Dayton, a DFLer, made his remarks as he prepares to put his stamp on the commission with appointments replacing some who served under his GOP predecessor, Tim Pawlenty.
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition. But he noted that Delta, headquartered in Atlanta, took over Twin Cities-based Northwest Airlines. He said he looks forward to talking with Delta CEO Richard Anderson and obtaining assurances that it will maintain or increase employment at Minneapolis-St. Paul.
"It certainly is a concern that we no longer have the company headquartered here, that we're one of a larger number of hubs," Dayton said. "So we need the offsetting advantage of having greater competition."

more in link....

#58988

acl65pilot , 02-06-2011 10:58 AM

Happy to be here

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Originally Posted by shiznit

Bar is Spot on. Unity solves all problems.

#58989

forgot to bid , 02-06-2011 11:11 AM

veut gagner à la loterie

Super Bowl predictions....?

I'm thinking Green Bay by more than 17.

Just because I heard, but did not verify, the last 4 times the spread was this close it was a blowout and between GRB and PIT I've got to believe it'd be GRB to do that over the we'll just win it by 1 PIT. But frankly, I could care less. I don't have an NFL team anymore, I'm homeless.

Maybe I'll cheer for Denver because of Tebow. Tsquare?

#58990

Pineapple Guy , 02-06-2011 11:35 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by LandGreen2

PG:

could you please list each "competitor" that ALPA is considering to define industry average?

Will foreign carriers be added to industry average? Will Cargo carriers be included?

No. No.

What you are asking is who are our peers? The answer is obvious, though people don't like to accept it. Our peers are similarly designed network carriers. Those include:

AMR, UCAL, and LCC. The rest are either niche players (ALA), have a completely different business model (LUV), or a completely different product (FDX, UPS). We can use those as a reference, but they are in a DIFFERENT industry.