tsquare

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually I have a french press that I carry with me.. along with some good... great Brazilian coffee, and it is OK with the bilge water as long as it is strong enough. Seems hat when we started carrying Green Mountain years ago, it was pretty good until somebody said it was too strong and cut back the packets... since then... ugh. I am optimistic about this though...

Man.. no Jepps.. I just bought a smaller computer.. and no french press... What on earth will I do with all that space in my flight kit?

Wilbur Wright

That's not completely correct. There is no restriction from picking up a WS on any day you PD. You cannot WS over any day with an APD.

You can APD just one day of a trip and WS over the remaining days.

Bucking Bar

Slow,

• How much money could Delta have saved if we simply took NWA's airplanes and flying and made their pilot group restart their careers at the employment office? ... (those concerned about political correctness can swap Delta for NWA, makes no difference, NWA could have made Delta pilots start over for the example)
• How much money did it cost to restore the longevity of NWA pilots who had lost their during furlough?
• In 2007 when Delta absorbed a few thousand ASA employees, they were allowed to keep their longevity. ALPA members (pilots) were the only employees forced to quit and re-hire at Delta, starting from scratch. Some pilots transferred into management, maintenance, training (etc) so they could keep their longevity as they came to Delta. They did not get seniority, but they kept their pay, weeks of vacation and travel pass date.
• Why are some pilots treated different than any other employees and any other pilots?

Longevity is not a reason not to pursue unity. History tells us longevity has not been a problem when management, or ALPA, wanted a merger.

To pre-empt your reply that management does not want a merger ... there are numerous answers and possibilities:

• How would we know? We never wanted a merger ... easier for us to furlough and blame Comair
• In the case of non ALPA members, we have no obligation to them at all. Just as DCI contracts are canceled and rebid now, just rebid them at mainline. ... that reduces Delta's longevity

Everything is a negotiation. My quest for an objective economic analysis is to learn as best we can where the point is hat management would want to use Delta pilots to perform Delta flying. Then the membership has a choice to make.

Or conversely (since this is how our MEC has thought in the past) if we are going to sell members' jobs, what are they worth?

Amish Pilot

I just flashed on tsquare as Grimes:



It's all in the grind, Sizemore. Can't be too fine, can't be too coarse. This, my friend, is a science. I mean you're looking at the guy that believed all the commercials. You know, about the "be all you can be." I made coffee through Desert Storm. I made coffee through Panama while everyone else got to fight, got to be a Ranger. Now it's "Grimesy, black, one sugar" or "Grimesy, got a powdered anywhere?

Bill Lumberg

So, are there ship sets now in the 757/767 fleet? I thought that wasn't supposed to happen until the 11th? Good for you guys. When will the Md88 fleet get ours?

johnso29

Fleet Scheduled Date for Initial Rollout*
757/767/7ER/765 February 4, 2011*
737 March 4, 2011*
319/320 April 1, 2011*
MD88/90 April 29, 2011*
DC-9 May 27, 2011*

KC10 FATboy

When I ordered by 75/76 books a month ago, they didn't even send me Jepps since they're in the jets. I feel slighted, but only slightly.

slowplay

Specious and argumentative question. Both NWA and DAL pilots "owned" the flying that they brought in the merger through scope. We don't "own" the flying currently being subcontracted.

You'll have to ask Delta and ASA management that question, but your story is incomplete and inaccurate. Delta took over ramp services for all DCI in ATL. Note that they didn't take a whole host of ASA ground employees from outstations, pilots or flight attendants. So it wasn't just pilots. The PanAm acquisition of certain assets comes to mind in the way ASA employees that came to Delta were treated.

Agreed. Economics is something that has to be taken into account in a business transaction. You must understand the value your counterparty places on a particular item if you don't currently have it and wish to posess it.


You should have stopped...prior to the dots!

Yup, it is a negotiation. There are two parties to that negotiation. As I've said before, the analysis has been done. You can probably do some of your own just based on labor costs from Form 41 data. As to the ASA's get our pseudo-lawyer CheckEssential to go back to the bankruptcy era and search if any of the bankrupt carriers ASA's were ever made public. I don't know, but doubt they were as that is highly sensitive competitive data. Most of that was redacted from the bankruptcy record at least in Delta's case. In other words, unless you get a job with ALPA E&FA, you're probably not going to see them...

acl65pilot

They are great. We got on our 767 to find three full sets, and an alternate kit as well. It will take a little time to get used to them, but they are awesome.

shiznit

Umm, we did "own it". In fact we do have the ability to "own" all of it again. We have amended our Section 1 to except a specified number of "permitted aircraft types" to be flown outside our CBA. Exceptions can be undone. Oh yeah, and no limit of the aircraft above the minimum can be flown by Delta Pilots, so yes, even theoretically we still "own" a portion of that flying (even though mgt. has not chosen to fly over that number).

"Specious and argumentative". That disappoints me. Specious="misleading in appearance". I fail to see that quality to Bar's comments.
Argumentative: certainly, the whole premise is to have constructive, diverse and potentially contrarian arguments to endeavor others to think about all aspects of a problem and formulate a cogent strategy.

Again, you are tossing out emotional trigger words that serve only to inflame and entrench an opposing view.

The whole point of Bar's is to MAKE ALPA EF&A DO THE RESEARCH!!! Bring back a report in executive session if that is what it takes, but get it done. Then we can have a MEC that can make a fully, complete look at that picture and help us determine how much we selling our jobs for. Then bring a more sanitized report to the membership that says "yes we think those jobs are valuable enough to get back or NO, the costs outweigh the benefits, but we did take a CURRENT in depth, and comprehensive look at the numbers."


Nobody says we are guaranteed to like the answer, nor can we expect ALPA to divulge confidential information. What we can expect is to hear the leadership say something along the lines of: