Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-16-2011, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I called my rep. Got some info, not necessarily what I had hoped to hear, and he's pretty hacked off about it too....no wait, extremely hacked off about it!
1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."
If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.
Carl
04-16-2011, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Just checked my mail box today and I had a small package from Ma Delta. Thinking it is something important I opened it right away. I was wrong, it is junk mail from this A-hole:
Jeff Robertson, Vice President, Loyalty Program
Maybe I am wrong, but this ****ed me off.
I do not expect to get junk mail in a mailer from my employer. Am I missing something, this was sent with Delta letterhead. Is there a place to opt out of this BS. I do not want to receive credit card offers or be asked to sign up others.
Big Fail!!!!!!
Jeff Robertson, Vice President, Loyalty Program
Maybe I am wrong, but this ****ed me off.
I do not expect to get junk mail in a mailer from my employer. Am I missing something, this was sent with Delta letterhead. Is there a place to opt out of this BS. I do not want to receive credit card offers or be asked to sign up others.Big Fail!!!!!!
04-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Agreed! Are we supposed to be soliciting passengers to sign up? Good grief!
I can't believe they expect us to peddle skymiles cards to our friends and family. I don't know how I'd even get that conversation started, and how uncomfortably quiet the room would get.
04-16-2011, 03:44 PM
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Anybody here who could provide an educated guess on whether the RAH discussion on Tuesday will take place in open session? Might like to attend but don't want to waste the whole day if I'd just get kicked out.
04-16-2011, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
I said this a few days ago when this crap was sent to my house...
I can't believe they expect us to peddle skymiles cards to our friends and family. I don't know how I'd even get that conversation started, and how uncomfortably quiet the room would get.
I can't believe they expect us to peddle skymiles cards to our friends and family. I don't know how I'd even get that conversation started, and how uncomfortably quiet the room would get.
04-16-2011, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Anybody here who could provide an educated guess on whether the RAH discussion on Tuesday will take place in open session? Might like to attend but don't want to waste the whole day if I'd just get kicked out.
My rep said he expected to get briefed about it. It sounded closed session to me.
04-16-2011, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
There's a very small window of opportunity for DALPA in my opinion. This is THE time for DALPA to show its independence for ALPA. If I were MEC chair, I would push hard for the following strategy to be supported and adopted by the LEC's:
1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."
If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.
Carl
1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."
If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.
Carl
Carl,
Do you think this has any chance at the LEC level, to be pushed up to the MEC? Not knowing anything about union politics, it sounds like it'd never fly. OTH, what you suggested sounds plausible. The whole RAH issue stinks. You know, if it walks like a duck.....
Chuck
04-16-2011, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
Carl,
Do you think this has any chance at the LEC level, to be pushed up to the MEC? Not knowing anything about union politics, it sounds like it'd never fly. OTH, what you suggested sounds plausible. The whole RAH issue stinks. You know, if it walks like a duck.....
Chuck
Do you think this has any chance at the LEC level, to be pushed up to the MEC? Not knowing anything about union politics, it sounds like it'd never fly. OTH, what you suggested sounds plausible. The whole RAH issue stinks. You know, if it walks like a duck.....
Chuck
Chuck;
Do you find it disheartening that you have that opinion of your bargaining agent?
04-16-2011, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Just checked my mail box today and I had a small package from Ma Delta. Thinking it is something important I opened it right away. I was wrong, it is junk mail from this A-hole:
Jeff Robertson, Vice President, Loyalty Program
Maybe I am wrong, but this ****ed me off. I do not expect to get junk mail in a mailer from my employer. Am I missing something, this was sent with Delta letterhead. Is there a place to opt out of this BS. I do not want to receive credit card offers or be asked to sign up others.
Big Fail!!!!!!
Jeff Robertson, Vice President, Loyalty Program
Maybe I am wrong, but this ****ed me off.
I do not expect to get junk mail in a mailer from my employer. Am I missing something, this was sent with Delta letterhead. Is there a place to opt out of this BS. I do not want to receive credit card offers or be asked to sign up others.Big Fail!!!!!!
So next time you're walking through the ATL crew room just look over at the V-files to your left and you'll see me. I'll be the guy who goes "hey, sir, are you flying a Delta jet today? Come on over here and let me talk to you for a moment."
Originally Posted by shiznit
I called my rep. Got some info, not necessarily what I had hoped to hear, and he's pretty hacked off about it too....no wait, extremely hacked off about it!
04-16-2011, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
There's a very small window of opportunity for DALPA in my opinion. This is THE time for DALPA to show its independence for ALPA. If I were MEC chair, I would push hard for the following strategy to be supported and adopted by the LEC's:
1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."
If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.
Carl
1. Grieve RAH as a violation of our Section 1
2. Hire outside council that has the nation's toughest reputation in winning contract lawsuits. Not experts in RLA contracts, just contracts in general. Time to stop thinking that ALPA lawyers have the best expertise in contract law because they have experience with RLA contract law.
3. Make it clear to ALPA that any interference will not be tolerated. Further, let ALPA know that anything other than full cooperation will likely lead to Delta pilots leaving ALPA. In other words, "ALPA...you work for us. Start acting like it right this second."
If DALPA were to adopt this strategy, it would be a huge indication that they are willing to show independence and look out for Delta pilots. And it would scare the living **** out of management. Two very good things.
Carl
(well, maybe not an all or nothing #3, but the intent of the rest of this for sure)
I'm not sure we'll win considering much of past practice, but it would be a great lead in to the start of Section 6 to rally the troops and get the masses behind the leadership.
All I ask is that if they do and the grievance fails, that the DPA crowd give credit for DALPA standing up for us, and not pulling a "you stink if you don't fight it, and you still stink if you fight and lose because you didn't win". With the chances of an outcome that doesn't benefit us, DALPA is in a no-win situation no matter how hard they work.
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