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Old 04-18-2011, 07:36 PM
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Just to keep the conversation alive this is from the NMB's ruling on April 7th:
Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (RAH) is the holding company that owns RA, Chautauqua, Shuttle, Frontier, Lynx, and the former Midwest and operates both “fixed fee” and “branded” operations. Each subsidiary carrier has its own operating certificate; however, RAH is in the process of transferring Lynx’s remaining fleet to the RA operating certificate. This is anticipated to be completed by early 2011, at which time RAH will surrender Lynx’s operating certificate and shut down Lynx.

Management is integrated, and all labor relations and personnel functions for the Carriers are administered by RAH under the stewardship of Ron Henson, VP, Labor Relations. RAH stated that the single carrier that currently is comprised of Chautauqua, Shuttle, and RA will continue to exist in its current form and will be held out to the public and marketed under the brand of the applicable flying partners or the Frontier brand. Frontier (and Lynx until its closing) will continue to be held out to the public and marketed under the Frontier brand.

On November 3, 2009, RAH (on behalf of itself and its wholly-owned subsidiaries, Chautauqua, Shuttle, RA, Midwest, Frontier and Lynx) entered into an agreement with its Pilots’ representatives to integrate the Pilots’ seniority. An arbitration to integrate the list occurred, with hearings and submission of briefs. A proposed award was issued on November 5, 2010, and a final award was issued February 19, 20112
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The IBT urges the Board to find that the Carriers are operating as a single transportation system for purposes of representation of the craft or class of Pilots. All subsidiaries are wholly owned by RAH, including Frontier and Lynx whose acquisition was finalized October 1, 2009.

According to IBT, the entities are operating as a single transportation system as evidenced by substantial operational integration, common control and ownership, and overlapping senior management and labor relations at each subsidiary. The IBT also contends that Midwest has ceased operations and is not part of the single transportation system. Pilot recruiting for each of its subsidiaries is handled by RAH. In addition, IBT contends that further evidence of single carrier status is the fact that all the Pilots of the various subsidiaries have been integrated into a single seniority list. Arbitrator Dana E. Eischen issued his final award on February 19, 2011.

In IBT’s estimation, “[RAH] holds out to the public that its operating carriers are part of a consolidated entity.” While each of RAH’s subsidiaries is a separate corporate entity with its own FAA operating certificate, their operations are all consolidated and commonly-scheduled under the Frontier brand, and they are held out as single company of affiliates on RAH’s website. Further, the subsidiaries are presented on a consolidated basis for both financial reporting and operating performance.

IBT notes that both ALPA and UTU agree that Frontier is appropriately included in the single transportation system. Further, the IBT rejects FAPA’s main contention that the diverse operations of Chautauqua/RA/Shuttle (fixed-fee) and Frontier (branded) make a single system finding inappropriate. In support of its position, IBT cites to a number of previous Board determinations where the Board has found mainline and regional carriers part of a single transportation system. Continental Airlines/Continental Express, 20 NMB 326 (1993).

Finally, the IBT contends that there have been significant steps towards the integration of Frontier into the single transportation system since the Board’s March 2010 decision regarding the Flight Attendants. Chautauqua Airlines, 37 NMB 148 (2010). Examples of this integration include further consolidation of administrative, operational, and labor functions of Frontier into RAH at its Indianapolis, Indiana headquarters; consolidation of the Frontier employees under RAH’s handbooks and policies; Frontier’s website links prospective employees to the RAH website to search for open positions; and finally, there has been a combination of the branded operations by the various affiliates into the Frontier brand, which has resulted in RA and Chautauqua aircraft being painted in Frontier livery, and the flying of RA and Chautauqua planes as Frontier branded operations.

ALPA contends that all of RAH’s subsidiaries are a single transportation system for the craft or class of Pilots, but also argues that the Midwest Pilots are part of the single transportation system. ALPA argues that it is a well-settled principle that only the Board may cancel a representation certification and that in situations in which carriers are acquired “existing certifications remain in effect until the Board issues a new certification or dismissal.” See NMB Representation Manual Section 19.7. While ALPA acknowledges that RAH has recently stopped selling services under the Midwest brand, it contends that RAH will continue to fly aircraft with Midwest livery through early 2011.

ALPA states that in the time frame since the Board’s findings in Chautauqua Airlines, 37 NMB 148 (2010), RAH has begun to integrate its Midwest and Frontier brands operationally, and is using both MWA (Republic d/b/a Midwest Airlines) and Frontier mainline planes, equipment only used in branded operations, to provide that integrated service. ALPA writes that while Midwest may have surrendered its FAA operating certificate, “it still continues to exist as a corporation, owning assets used in airline operations, such as gates, slots, reservations structure and maintenance facilities [and] … its airline operations are being integrated with and into the Frontier brand, comprising around 24% of Frontier’s operations today.” As Midwest’s operations have been integrated with and into the Frontier brand, ALPA contends that the Midwest Pilots have an interest that the Board’s merger policies protect.

This ongoing integration of operations has now integrated Frontier/Lynx into the single transportation system, so that the system today includes the Carriers “plus Midwest.” ALPA believes that the intertwined nature of RAH’s two types of operations make the finding of a single transportation system the only result consistent with the RLA’s representation structure.
Read more at: http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2011/38n039.pdf
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:50 PM
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Alright, it's time for the MARSHALL PLAN.

Now it could really be called the FORGOT TO BID PLAN, but that just doesn't have quite the ring and besides, when my dad was asked why I wasn't named a Junior he said "I didn't want my name on that train wreck." I feel the same here.

So the Marshall Plan... I mean the MARSHALL PLAN.

Those 250 CRJ-200s, 65 CRJ-700s, 50 CRJ-900s equals 20,850 seats.

That's about 139 MD88 flights in the 149 seat configuration. So here is what I... or Mr. Marshall... propose:

1. Permitted Aircraft for Category A (those are the DCI operations under a CPA) and C operations (American Eagle in LAX under an RPA) are now limited to non-jet aircraft seating no more than 65 passengers in a two seat configuration. This can include the ultra expensive Dash 8-400 or cheap used ATR 72-500s:

Have a longevity based pay that lasts no longer than 5 years with starting FO pay no less than 70% that of starting Delta FO pay and the rest of their pay set by Delta Pilots via an annual vote.

1.B. Any DCI that gives Delta pilots rights to reserve their jumpseat in advance, identical to Delta's current policy, then that airline shall receive super preferential stuff.

2. Category A operations are limited to flights within 250 nm from the departure airport.

3. Per the Buzzpat Amendment, Section 1.O is hereby deleted.

4. All former flights vacated by DCI jets because of the new rules to Section 1 will now and forever be handled as either a nonstop or 1 or 2 stop flight aboard a Delta Air Line's Airbus A319, A320, McDonnell Kickass Douglas 88 or 90, possibly former AirTran 717, 737-700 and -800, Boeing 757 and 767, Airbus A330, DC-10, DC-3, L1011, 767-400, 747-400, 747-800 and whatever else mainline owns at the moment.

5. Delta Air Lines shall scour the boneyards of former airliners for cheap cool airplanes and present the blast from the past. Such as converting 727s into two engine airplanes with a fake third engine or something similar.
Let us keep it simple:

All Delta flying will be performed by Delta pilots.

Any new entity by the Corporate parent will be considered "Delta Flying" per paragraph one of this agreement.

The ATR makes a good MD88 replacement on much of its flying. The ATR was the most profitable airplane in ASA service with a break even load factor of 11 seats. The airplane was equipped with 66. Burns 34% of the fuel used by a 50 seat RJ over similar stage lengths. Average trip time was 7% longer.

But Delta management decided the ATR was not "sexy," and that passengers "preferred the regional jet."
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
Let us keep it simple:

All Delta flying will be performed by Delta pilots.

Any new entity by the Corporate parent will be considered "Delta Flying" per paragraph one of this agreement.

The ATR makes a good MD88 replacement on much of its flying. The ATR was the most profitable airplane in ASA service with a break even load factor of 11 seats. The airplane was equipped with 66. Burns 34% of the fuel used by a 50 seat RJ over similar stage lengths. Average trip time was 7% longer.

But Delta management decided the ATR was not "sexy," and that passengers "preferred the regional jet."
Section 1.C.1 is pretty simple. We could just keep it at that.

However, as CAL pilots are finding with the Dash 8-400s they really are replacements of larger jets even with the props swinging outside.

That's why I want a distance limitation with regional's added to any other limitation set forth if Section 1.C still has exceptions.
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I googled it, apparently there is one at Dodona Manor, VMI, Pennsylvania, and maybe others.

Isnt VMI's claim to fame that their class rings are considered weapons due to their size.
No that distinction would go to the three Service Academies
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No that distinction would go to the three Service Academies
Have you seen that ring? Believe me, it is a bit larger.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:24 PM
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Where the fun began...
Chautauqua Transfers Last 170

By: Gregory Polek

Aviation International News >> November 2005
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Indianapolis-based Chautauqua Airlines has transferred the last of its once 23-strong fleet of Embraer 170 jets to its sister carrier, Shuttle America. The move relieves parent company Republic Airways of penalties it has had to pay American Airlines for scope-clause violations.

The contract signed by American and its pilots prohibits any American Connection carrier from flying jets that hold more than 50 seats for any partner. Chautauqua, which flies Embraer ERJ140s as American Connection, had flown the 70-seat Embraer 170s for Republic since the airplane’s introduction in April last year.
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No that distinction would go to the three Service Academies
Phew, leaving out the Coast Guard Academy, the Merchant Marine Academy, and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences

Tsk, tsk....

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Phew, leaving out the Coast Guard Academy, the Merchant Marine Academy, and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences

Tsk, tsk....

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Those count too? Oh God, my global view just shifted. I hate it when that happens! So THAT was the moral of the Lost series. Re-caging gyros.....

Sulking back into my vacationing hole........
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I just recruited a girl that we can send in to negotiate this Republic thing. Just trying to help






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Where the fun began...
Chautauqua Transfers Last 170

By: Gregory Polek

Aviation International News >> November 2005
Air Transport and Cargo Aircraft

Indianapolis-based Chautauqua Airlines has transferred the last of its once 23-strong fleet of Embraer 170 jets to its sister carrier, Shuttle America. The move relieves parent company Republic Airways of penalties it has had to pay American Airlines for scope-clause violations.

The contract signed by American and its pilots prohibits any American Connection carrier from flying jets that hold more than 50 seats for any partner. Chautauqua, which flies Embraer ERJ140s as American Connection, had flown the 70-seat Embraer 170s for Republic since the airplane’s introduction in April last year.
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I just recruited a girl that we can send in to negotiate this Republic thing. Just trying to help

Two's in! Or three, or whatever the hell I am these days. I'll follow her and you Ferd!
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