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Old 04-19-2011 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Those count too? Oh God, my global view just shifted. I hate it when that happens! So THAT was the moral of the Lost series. Re-caging gyros.....

Sulking back into my vacationing hole........
My brother went to the Coast Guard Academy, and it is every bit a service academy. Older and more traditional than the zoo. It is the most selective school in the nation. And he has a big ring to go with it.
Old 04-19-2011 | 06:04 AM
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Question about payback days......

I understand when you GS on reserve, they mark your schedule with PB days.
-What is PR? (I'm guessing partial reserve)
-How do they calculate that?
-If I do a trip with a redeye (departs 11:50 on day 3, lands at 6AM day 4) is the trip considered a 4-day for payback credit?
Old 04-19-2011 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rahc
Question about payback days......

I understand when you GS on reserve, they mark your schedule with PB days.
-What is PR? (I'm guessing partial reserve)
-How do they calculate that?
-If I do a trip with a redeye (departs 11:50 on day 3, lands at 6AM day 4) is the trip considered a 4-day for payback credit?
You are correct, PR is a Partial Payback Day. They take your block-in time, add 30 mins for debrief, etc, then add 9 hrs for rest (I think 9, maybe 8) then they start your payback days.

So for your 4 day trip, for example, they would take block-in, plus 30 min, plus (8 or 9) hrs, plus 4 days (96 hrs) of payback days.

The trip with the redeye would be considered 4 days, because it would use 4 days of a reserve.

If you're near the end of the month, PB days don't go into the next month. They get stored (see your time card at the bottom) and can be used to drop days in another month, or as vacation days.
Old 04-19-2011 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
So as of 01 Apr, all 88 pilots in ATL on reserve are paid at 90 pay rates? I'm not trying to make it difficult, but I never connected those dots - good to know.

DH, thanks for the quick answer.

J
I believe you are correct about all ATL M88 reserve pilots being paid 90 rates. There are some exceptions though. Vacation is still paid at M88 rates. I'm not sure about sick time.
Old 04-19-2011 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Jesse and Justdoin;

Are you guys grads of the Citadel? If so do you live in the Lowcountry?
Yeah, Cid grad. Had no intention of going there until I did a pre-knob visit, otherwise might have tried for the academy. Living in the FL panhandle where I finished up with the AF. You a VMI guy in Cid country?
Old 04-19-2011 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
That was there claim to fame but their is a caveat:
On 15 May 1864 the VMI Corps of Cadets fought as an independent unit at the Battle of New Market. VMI is the only military college or academy in the United States to hold this distinction.
I think the distinction is to fight as an independent unit?
Citadel cadets had their own battalion during the Civil War . I guess you could find some distinction, but my understanding was that battle streamers were awarded to military units.
Old 04-19-2011 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
It was really nice though - very, very quiet. 160 seats, 168,000 lbs MTOW...world's heaviest DC9.

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Of course you thought the airplane was quiet - you can't hear it over the FA's bi---ng about the configuration. I know it sucks, but I'm personally getting tired of hearing about it
Old 04-19-2011 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Jesse and Justdoin;

Are you guys grads of the Citadel? If so do you live in the Lowcountry?

Class of '87. I live up the road a ways, in Wilmington, NC.
Old 04-19-2011 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Yeah, Cid grad. Had no intention of going there until I did a pre-knob visit, otherwise might have tried for the academy. Living in the FL panhandle where I finished up with the AF. You a VMI guy in Cid country?

No I'm a carpetbagger. I've got a shack on the IOP, but its only for our vacations.
Old 04-19-2011 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
That was there claim to fame but their is a caveat:
On 15 May 1864 the VMI Corps of Cadets fought as an independent unit at the Battle of New Market. VMI is the only military college or academy in the United States to hold this distinction.
I think the distinction is to fight as an independent unit?
Not to get into a history lesson, but the Citadel was actually two schools in the beginning. The Citadel in Charleston, and The Arsenal in Columbia. Cadets started their first year at The Arsenal, and then transferred to The Citadel. In January 1861, they were formed into the Battalion of State Cadets and added to the State military structure. When The Citadel was reopened after the war, The Arsenal function was moved to Charleston. Maybe that is what the Rat Factory, (,) is basing their claim on, the fact that they were all in one location, and The Citadel was split between two locations.

Originally Posted by Jesse
Citadel cadets had their own battalion during the Civil War . I guess you could find some distinction, but my understanding was that battle streamers were awarded to military units.
Taken from Brief History of The Citadel

"On January 9, 1861, Citadel Cadets manning an artillery battery on Morris Island fired the first hostile shots of the Civil War, repulsing the federal steamship Star of the West, carrying supplies and two hundred federal troops dispatched by President Buchanan to reinforce Union Forces garrisoned at Fort Sumter.27 During the Star of the West incident, the Cadets flew as their banner a unique flag, observed by eye witnesses on the federal steamer, and described in a dispatch by a Union Officer at Fort Sumter as "a flag with a red field, and a white palmetto tree."28 A depiction of this flag flying over the Cadet battery on Morris Island can be seen in the Star of the West mural in Daniel Library, and replicas of the flag are now used as the spirit flag of The Citadel Corps of Cadets, known affectionately as "Big Red."29

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" However, members of the Corps of Cadets and its officers actively participated in several campaigns and engagements in defense of Charleston and South Carolina during the War. The regimental colors of the South Carolina Corps of Cadets carries eight battle streamers and one service streamer for the following campaigns and engagements by the Corps of Cadets35:
Star of the West, January 9, 1861
Wappoo Cut, November 1861
James Island, June 1862
Charleston and Vicinity, July to October 1863
James Island, June 1864
Tulifinny, December 1864
James Island, December 1864 to February 1865
Williamston, May 1865
Confederate States Army
The engagement at Tulifinny Creek is of historic importance because it involved the deployment of the entire Battalion of State Cadets from the Citadel and Arsenal Academies as an independent military unit engaged in armed combat with Union forces. In December of 1864, the Governor of South Carolina ordered the Battalion of State Cadets from the Citadel and Arsenal to deploy to Tulifinny Creek south of Charleston to reinforce Confederate troops defending a key railroad bridge against a much larger advancing Union force. On December 7, the Battalion of State Cadets, along with Confederate militia units from North and South Carolina and Georgia, engaged a much larger Union force in pitched battle for several hours, advancing against rifle and cannon fire and forcing the federal troops back to their entrenchments. On December 9, the battalion of cadets successfully repulsed a Union counter-attack on their defensive position by the railroad trestle with their disciplined rifle fire.36 The Battalion of State Cadets suffered eight casualties in the engagement, including one killed,37 and were commended by Major General Samuel Jones, CSA, Commanding General of South Carolina and Georgia Departments, for their gallantry under fire.38 A mural depicting the December 9th engagement at the Tulifinny Creek railroad trestle is on display in the Daniel Library."
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