Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-28-2011 | 08:35 AM
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I like your 450 estimate. Hope that pans out.
06-28-2011 | 08:39 AM
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Wow. Did not know Delta had it so good over here! Jeff uses the Delta contract plus scraps as their opener/wish list.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf
06-28-2011 | 08:40 AM
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Exactly. SWA is the floor. Somewhere between that floor and our fantasy opener is where we should settle (on ALL issues, not just hourly rates, including scope).
06-28-2011 | 08:44 AM
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Wow. Did not know Delta had it so good over here! Jeff uses the Delta contract plus scraps as their opener/wish list.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf
06-28-2011 | 08:47 AM
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We better realize what we are up against when there's talk about getting back to C2K payrates. Management has no intention of allowing that to happen.
Did anyone else see the UAL/CAL CEO's interview in Fortune last month?
Jeff Smisek:
When we closed the merger, I did 16 CEO exchanges around the system where I met with my co-workers. I'd stand up and answer any question they wanted. They were not used to that at United, I can assure you. They were at Continental.
I'm starting on a round in Europe next week. I'll do Asia, I'll do Latin America, and then I'll start more in the U.S. again, just being visible, answering people's questions, and being honest with them. "When are you going to snap me back to the wages I had in the year 2000?" Answer: never. That was a different time, and you will never be paid like you were in 2000. We're in a different business now. Low-cost carriers used to be a small percentage of the U.S. market. Now they're a giant piece. Business has changed, and people respect you when you're honest.
Leadership: The Jeff Smisek interview with Geoff Colvin - Apr. 21, 2011
Did anyone else see the UAL/CAL CEO's interview in Fortune last month?
Jeff Smisek:
When we closed the merger, I did 16 CEO exchanges around the system where I met with my co-workers. I'd stand up and answer any question they wanted. They were not used to that at United, I can assure you. They were at Continental.
I'm starting on a round in Europe next week. I'll do Asia, I'll do Latin America, and then I'll start more in the U.S. again, just being visible, answering people's questions, and being honest with them. "When are you going to snap me back to the wages I had in the year 2000?" Answer: never. That was a different time, and you will never be paid like you were in 2000. We're in a different business now. Low-cost carriers used to be a small percentage of the U.S. market. Now they're a giant piece. Business has changed, and people respect you when you're honest.
Leadership: The Jeff Smisek interview with Geoff Colvin - Apr. 21, 2011
Funny, is he making 40% less now than the airlines CEO in 2000 (total compensation). How about his pension? Yep, times are different, unfortunately it is only different for the front line.
06-28-2011 | 08:50 AM
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..... and in what is seemingly coming to light after all the ready fire aim comments.. mine included.. this proposal was put forth in October of last year...
06-28-2011 | 08:55 AM
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Not to be too gloomy, but I'll bet Delta's opener next spring will be a similarly huge slap in our faces. We'd better be ready for it.
06-28-2011 | 09:05 AM
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Yep. The 50 seater is uneconomical so the company wants to get rid of them. The company does not want to replace the 50 seaters with us. It wants to bring in regional jets bigger than the DC-9. Our scope battle at the regional level is not done. Our line in the sand is looked at by the company as a line in the sand. It needs to be a line in concrete.
06-28-2011 | 09:09 AM
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FTB, he wasn't talking YOY. He specifically said 15%-20% raise over a 4 year contract. Basically around 3%-5% YOY.
Tried clarifying it with him, and this is fact what he meant.
I actually don't like talking about what we should be negotiating for in the next contract on these boards because management types could use it as a reference, but I don't see a 5% raise every year being taken as anything less than a joke. (All other contract variables being equal)
Tried clarifying it with him, and this is fact what he meant.
I actually don't like talking about what we should be negotiating for in the next contract on these boards because management types could use it as a reference, but I don't see a 5% raise every year being taken as anything less than a joke. (All other contract variables being equal)
Ouch.
Had to get 10 characters, but this mindset can be used for something useful on this forum, TA voting time not so much.
06-28-2011 | 09:10 AM
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Heyas Johnso,
A bunch of years ago, when we had 800 guys on furlough, I was sitting reserve, and got called out to do a DH & one leg back. Turned out to be a ferry flight.
The guy I was flying with had a WAY low number for doing a reserve gig like this, so I asked him what was up.
The short version is he lived by the airport, and he told me that scheduling were his buds and would call him for favors like this and he was happy to do them. I said "um, you know we got 800 guys on furlough, right?"
He came right out and said "I don't care about any of that stuff".
There will always be a percentage of guys like this.
Nu
A bunch of years ago, when we had 800 guys on furlough, I was sitting reserve, and got called out to do a DH & one leg back. Turned out to be a ferry flight.
The guy I was flying with had a WAY low number for doing a reserve gig like this, so I asked him what was up.
The short version is he lived by the airport, and he told me that scheduling were his buds and would call him for favors like this and he was happy to do them. I said "um, you know we got 800 guys on furlough, right?"
He came right out and said "I don't care about any of that stuff".
There will always be a percentage of guys like this.
Nu
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