Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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... 480 retirements between now and the end of 2015 that is why they are not hiring. No hiring in 2012 according to recent re-indoc class visits by big wigs. They truly seemed unconcerned about staffing, everybody was surprised. (and kinda depressed)
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
Also go there if you want to look forward to it being a good 20 years from now until you're half way up the list due to retirements.
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80, you are missing how this works friend. We are being used right now to undermine the negotiations of another organized labor group. I am pointing out how this works so you'll understand when it happens to us:
Air France's Cabin Crew called a strike and were only able to ground 12% of the operations. That's nearly no bargaining leverage.
Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- Air France's 15,000 cabin crew disrupted flights for a third day in protest at cuts to staffing levels, grounding about 12 percent of services including long- haul trips to Atlanta, Los Angeles, Montreal and Washington.
Air France-KLM Group fell 6.9 percent in Paris after its French unit said 88 percent of 1,000 scheduled flights would operate today, with about 120 halted yesterday and 130 on Oct. 29. Unions put the cancellations at 171 and 209 respectively.
Cabin-crew unions have called a strike for Oct. 29 to Nov. 2, spanning the All Saints Day holiday, one of France's busiest travel periods, as they seek to halt plans to cut staff levels on Airbus SAS single-aisle jets. Air France is seeking to cut costs after an earnings slump forced the departure this month of Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, its chief executive officer.
"You don't want strikes but if it means they're confronting issues that need confronting then it could be good for the long term," said Jonathan Wober, an analyst at Societe Generale in London who cut his rating on Air France-KLM to "sell" from "hold" today because of the carrier's traffic-growth outlook.
Air France-KLM fell 41 cents to 5.51 euros in the French capital, where the company is based. Europe's No. 1 airline has lost 60 percent this year, the worst performance on the six- member Bloomberg EMEA Airlines Index, which is down 32 percent.
"Clients are being held hostage by a five-day strike for which there's no reason," Air France said yesterday. "Management negotiated day and night for 10 days and responded favorably to 90 percent of the flight attendant unions' demands."
The Paris airports of Charles de Gaulle, Europe's second busiest, and Orly, as well as the terminal in Marseille, are among those affected. The dispute is deepening as Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd. resumed flights today after a labor regulator barred stoppages that prompted the carrier to ground its fleet, stranding about 80,000 passengers over the weekend.
Air France is trying to restrict cancellations to high- frequency European routes, where it's easier to rebook seats, spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand said today by phone. U.S. services were halted because the company was able to shift people to services flown by SkyTeam alliance partner Delta Air Lines Ltd.
Read more: Air France Halts 12% of Flights as Crew Strike for Third Day
Air France-KLM Group fell 6.9 percent in Paris after its French unit said 88 percent of 1,000 scheduled flights would operate today, with about 120 halted yesterday and 130 on Oct. 29. Unions put the cancellations at 171 and 209 respectively.
Cabin-crew unions have called a strike for Oct. 29 to Nov. 2, spanning the All Saints Day holiday, one of France's busiest travel periods, as they seek to halt plans to cut staff levels on Airbus SAS single-aisle jets. Air France is seeking to cut costs after an earnings slump forced the departure this month of Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, its chief executive officer.
"You don't want strikes but if it means they're confronting issues that need confronting then it could be good for the long term," said Jonathan Wober, an analyst at Societe Generale in London who cut his rating on Air France-KLM to "sell" from "hold" today because of the carrier's traffic-growth outlook.
Air France-KLM fell 41 cents to 5.51 euros in the French capital, where the company is based. Europe's No. 1 airline has lost 60 percent this year, the worst performance on the six- member Bloomberg EMEA Airlines Index, which is down 32 percent.
"Clients are being held hostage by a five-day strike for which there's no reason," Air France said yesterday. "Management negotiated day and night for 10 days and responded favorably to 90 percent of the flight attendant unions' demands."
The Paris airports of Charles de Gaulle, Europe's second busiest, and Orly, as well as the terminal in Marseille, are among those affected. The dispute is deepening as Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd. resumed flights today after a labor regulator barred stoppages that prompted the carrier to ground its fleet, stranding about 80,000 passengers over the weekend.
Air France is trying to restrict cancellations to high- frequency European routes, where it's easier to rebook seats, spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand said today by phone. U.S. services were halted because the company was able to shift people to services flown by SkyTeam alliance partner Delta Air Lines Ltd.
Read more: Air France Halts 12% of Flights as Crew Strike for Third Day
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What if Delta just continues to outsource our flying and tells us in late 2016, "hey you want some of your flying back in Contract 2012? ... he ha, buy it from us." Just taking post merger shrinkage and straight line compounding, we will be 37% smaller by then.
What leverage do we have?
I'd like to hear the SWA plus group explain how we get that raise when the Company is exercising their muscles to replace us.
What these reporters are missing is that Delta pulling capacity down does not necessarily save us a dime (or earn more profit) we still pay for our 50% of the Joint Venture flying ... we simply pay someone else to fly it.
If I'm wrong, someone school me.
What leverage do we have?
I'd like to hear the SWA plus group explain how we get that raise when the Company is exercising their muscles to replace us.
Alaska reported 6% higher mainline capacity, this quarter and expects it grow another 4% in Q4. The carrier is expanding its service between San Diego and Hawaii, with the launch of daily nonstop flight to Honolulu in November. Hawaii now accounts for about 20% of the network for Alaska.
For 2012, the carrier is guiding for a capacity growth of about 5%, primarily adding capacity into Hawaii and in regional markets such as Seattle to Spokane, Boise and Kansas City. Alaska views this growth to be in line with its profitability goals as this is driven by back filling of competitive capacity that has left the market.
For 2012, the carrier is guiding for a capacity growth of about 5%, primarily adding capacity into Hawaii and in regional markets such as Seattle to Spokane, Boise and Kansas City. Alaska views this growth to be in line with its profitability goals as this is driven by back filling of competitive capacity that has left the market.
Hauenstein admits that in hindsight: "There was excess capacity from the industry and from us." Part of the capacity dump could be attributed to the relatively young joint ventures created by the three large airline alliances in the Atlantic market and their acclimation to joint network planning.
Relative to the transatlantic joint venture partners in the SkyTeam tie-up - Delta, Air France and Alitalia - Hauenstin says: "I think this has been a learning process for us as we go through the first two years of our joint venture." Delta and its SkyTeam partners applied lessons learned and have moved to assure that the joint venture's collective transatlantic capacity, which entails routes between North America and Europe, is falling by 7-9%, or 15 points, during the winter season, versus previous growth projections of 7-8%.
Relative to the transatlantic joint venture partners in the SkyTeam tie-up - Delta, Air France and Alitalia - Hauenstin says: "I think this has been a learning process for us as we go through the first two years of our joint venture." Delta and its SkyTeam partners applied lessons learned and have moved to assure that the joint venture's collective transatlantic capacity, which entails routes between North America and Europe, is falling by 7-9%, or 15 points, during the winter season, versus previous growth projections of 7-8%.
The North American transatlantic market during the summer is also seeing a rise in average seat count, driven by Air France and Lufthansa expanding their US A380 operations, Jenks notes. Average aircraft size has risen from 252.4 seats in 2010 to 255.8, underpinned by the addition of a total of five new A380 frequencies introduced during the summer. Lufthansa has added A380 flights from Frankfurt to New York Kennedy, Miami and San Francisco while Air France expanded its Paris-Atlanta A380-operated service introduced last year with the addition of Paris-Washington DC and San Francisco.
If I'm wrong, someone school me.
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Are the AF FA's even asking us not to increase frequency or gauge? Perhaps, as is the case in many strikes, they want other airlines to pick up the pax to pressure their company? Although that would depend on how and where that particular revenue flows from those particular extra/upsided flights in question.
Are the AF pilots even being asked to sympathy strike? Would the AF FA's sympathy strike for us if asked? For their own pilots? How good is their section 1?
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When inflation starts to pick up in a couple years, we'll be able to get 50% raises with each 4 or 5 year contract easily so who cares about outsourced flying.
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No Gloopy, I'm serious. Here's Air France's published quarter and I'll grab ours in a second:
Passenger business
Traffic progressed by 9.3% for capacity up by 7.5%, leading to an improvement in load factor of 1.5 points to 85.2%. Capacity grew by only 5.2% taking into account the impact of the air traffic control strikes of September 2010, cabin configuration changes on some B777s, and the progressive take-over of capacities operated by Martinair. The number of passengers stood at 6.86 millions, up by 8.4%. Unit revenue per available seat kilometer (RASK) excluding currency was slightly up on September 2010. However, given the volatility of recent months and based on currently available indicators, activity in October could be less dynamic.
On the Americas network, traffic rose 12.2% for capacity up by 10.8%. The load factor gained 1.1 points to 90.6%.
The Asia network remained dynamic. Traffic (+9.7%) kept pace with the rise in capacity (+9.4%), leading to a load factor of 88.8% (+0.3 points). Traffic to Japan returned to the level of September 2010, but unit revenue remained below pre-crisis.
The Africa and Middle East network saw traffic rise by 2.9% for capacity down by 1.3%. The load factor gained 3.4 points to 82.9%. Traffic to/from Ivory Coast recovered strongly, but less so on Egyptian routes.
On the Caribbean and Indian Ocean network, traffic was up by 6.4% for capacity up by 4.7%. The load factor gained 1.2 points to 76.6%.
The European network saw the cancellation of 1,300 flights in September 2010, leading to a favorable comparison basis. Traffic progressed by 9.5% for capacity up by 7.3%. The load factor gained 1.6 points to 78.2%.
Traffic progressed by 9.3% for capacity up by 7.5%, leading to an improvement in load factor of 1.5 points to 85.2%. Capacity grew by only 5.2% taking into account the impact of the air traffic control strikes of September 2010, cabin configuration changes on some B777s, and the progressive take-over of capacities operated by Martinair. The number of passengers stood at 6.86 millions, up by 8.4%. Unit revenue per available seat kilometer (RASK) excluding currency was slightly up on September 2010. However, given the volatility of recent months and based on currently available indicators, activity in October could be less dynamic.
On the Americas network, traffic rose 12.2% for capacity up by 10.8%. The load factor gained 1.1 points to 90.6%.
The Asia network remained dynamic. Traffic (+9.7%) kept pace with the rise in capacity (+9.4%), leading to a load factor of 88.8% (+0.3 points). Traffic to Japan returned to the level of September 2010, but unit revenue remained below pre-crisis.
The Africa and Middle East network saw traffic rise by 2.9% for capacity down by 1.3%. The load factor gained 3.4 points to 82.9%. Traffic to/from Ivory Coast recovered strongly, but less so on Egyptian routes.
On the Caribbean and Indian Ocean network, traffic was up by 6.4% for capacity up by 4.7%. The load factor gained 1.2 points to 76.6%.
The European network saw the cancellation of 1,300 flights in September 2010, leading to a favorable comparison basis. Traffic progressed by 9.5% for capacity up by 7.3%. The load factor gained 1.6 points to 78.2%.
Delta Air Lines Inc. said Tuesday it will shrink seating capacity next year in an effort to remain profitable despite rising fuel prices.
Atlanta-based Delta (NYSE: DAL), which is the dominant carrier at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport , said in a regulatory filing that seating capacity will be 2 percent to 3 percent lower than 2011 levels.
The airline also said it was reducing flying in the last three months of the year by 4 percent to 5 percent.
Delta plans to cut flights to Europe by as much as 12 percent in the fourth quarter and flights to Asia and within the United States by 1 percent to 3 percent. The only market that's seeing an increase in traffic is Latin America, projected to be up 3 to five percent.
Atlanta-based Delta (NYSE: DAL), which is the dominant carrier at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport , said in a regulatory filing that seating capacity will be 2 percent to 3 percent lower than 2011 levels.
The airline also said it was reducing flying in the last three months of the year by 4 percent to 5 percent.
Delta plans to cut flights to Europe by as much as 12 percent in the fourth quarter and flights to Asia and within the United States by 1 percent to 3 percent. The only market that's seeing an increase in traffic is Latin America, projected to be up 3 to five percent.
Alaska reported 6% higher mainline capacity, this quarter and expects it grow another 4% in Q4. The carrier is expanding its service between San Diego and Hawaii, with the launch of daily nonstop flight to Honolulu in November. Hawaii now accounts for about 20% of the network for Alaska.
I have heard wonderful things about Hauenstein. Watched as we added new international destination only to soon retract them. Not sure why he would overlook this oppertunity. Hawaii flying was a no brainer yet we have been and still are happy to let Alaska (and soon SWA) run away with it (we have actually reduced our HI flying). Could be I don't see the big picture (ie Delta is pulling back/reducing any overlap with Alaska for a future merger). If this is not the case it seems asinine to let an obvious profitable market go to other competitors. Does delta want to make more money? They could have, had they bumped up Hawaii flying starting a couple years ago. Scratching head.
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Not to mention how Alaska's pilots would spin this in a merger.
I more expect us to buy Hawaiian. Controlling interest in the the airline could be acquired for less than the cost of a single new A330. JetBlue does not want to sell and the regulators who love Jet Blue in New York would have a conniption. Alaska's expensive and apparently management is happy with them being a fully at risk Delta Connection Carrier.
Ways Alaska is like ASA in 1999:
- Fully at risk Delta Connection carrier with no scope limits
- Operating jets in the range of 120 seats and smaller turboprops under a separate certificate
- Delta ran the airlines stock price up by transferring flying to it
- Delta can manipulate the stock price down by threatening to cancel codeshare with it
I more expect us to buy Hawaiian. Controlling interest in the the airline could be acquired for less than the cost of a single new A330. JetBlue does not want to sell and the regulators who love Jet Blue in New York would have a conniption. Alaska's expensive and apparently management is happy with them being a fully at risk Delta Connection Carrier.
Ways Alaska is like ASA in 1999:
- Fully at risk Delta Connection carrier with no scope limits
- Operating jets in the range of 120 seats and smaller turboprops under a separate certificate
- Delta ran the airlines stock price up by transferring flying to it
- Delta can manipulate the stock price down by threatening to cancel codeshare with it
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It's funny this talk of leaving DAL for SWA. Each airline is so cyclical. It's like buying a stock when its peaked. In my opinion, SWA has peaked as far as airline careers go. It's a great company to work for, but I think that ship has sailed. It is morphing it to a legacy. In a decade it will be just like the rest of us, including a disgruntled pilot group because of no movement. Growth makes employees very happy, especially if you are under a seniority based system.
I am sure Delta guys in 1999 had doubts about the company. Then C2K came along and we were among the highest paid pilots in the industry. Didn't Southwest use these rates in their negotiating?
C12K is coming and it's up to our pilot group to get restoration. So much was given to help the company in it's time of need.
I am sure Delta guys in 1999 had doubts about the company. Then C2K came along and we were among the highest paid pilots in the industry. Didn't Southwest use these rates in their negotiating?
C12K is coming and it's up to our pilot group to get restoration. So much was given to help the company in it's time of need.
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