Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
On another note, I saw some folks mentioning the 22D2 list showing the "required number of pilots" dropping from around 10700 for Aug 11 (from the 1/31/11 projection) to around 9800 or something in the latest one. This makes folks worried at the bottom of the list that their seniority # is above the required #. Others have pointed out that Delta can't really run the airline with this required #. Another thing to help guys at the bottom not feel as bummed, is that there are 558 total pilots on mil leave and furlough who are not actually flying, but filling seniority numbers all the way up. So, if you add 558 to the 22D2 report, you get a better sense of minimum seniority numbers, and maybe now you'll be "included".
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I believe we will see another move forward in the next few months as MIL LEAVE folks drop off the list also. Almost all the furloughs were recalled in Nov 06, with the last folks being recalled in Jan 07 I think, maybe Feb. In any case, Nov 06 was 5 years ago... anyone who accepted furlough recall and then went on MIL LEAVE, who has NOT come back, runs out of their 5 year USERRA recall/return rights about now, with everyone done by Feb 12 I'd think. With 334 currently NBC/MIL Leave pilots, of which almost all have seniority numbers indicating they were in the furlough group, I would expect a large number of them to exceed their 5 year limit and begin to drop off the list.
I believe we will see another move forward in the next few months as MIL LEAVE folks drop off the list also. Almost all the furloughs were recalled in Nov 06, with the last folks being recalled in Jan 07 I think, maybe Feb. In any case, Nov 06 was 5 years ago... anyone who accepted furlough recall and then went on MIL LEAVE, who has NOT come back, runs out of their 5 year USERRA recall/return rights about now, with everyone done by Feb 12 I'd think. With 334 currently NBC/MIL Leave pilots, of which almost all have seniority numbers indicating they were in the furlough group, I would expect a large number of them to exceed their 5 year limit and begin to drop off the list.
I'm not going anywhere until I see what our next contract looks like. It will take me 16.5 years to reach the 50 percent mark at Delta according to the crystal ball. That assumes everyone leaves at the mandatory retirement age of 65 and the list stays the same size. I have news for you. Very few pilots are leaving early. I've flown with 63 1/2 year olds on the MD-88. Our list is shrinking. The retirement age might rise to 70. If that kid's post on the other website is true, he is making $72,000/year more than me to fly a smaller airplane. I like my current employer, but that's a hell of a lot of money per year. I would like someone to publish W-2's. ALPA tells me I'm not far off from Southwest, but the Southwest pilots are telling me different. I would like to know who's telling the truth. It's pretty sad how you just want to get rid of me. You would think you would want this place to be a premier place to work and not just a stepping stone. I have a junior buddy of mine who bid to the 737 recently to just get the type rating so he can move on. I know a 7er pilot who went to UPS while furloughed. He was furloughed from UPS and is back here. I asked him if he is going to stay when UPS recalls him. His answer was "hell no." The reason is UPS just pays too much more. It all comes down to the money and time off. I don't get much of either as a commuter on reserve.
I want you to stay. I think what t is saying in a backhanded way is that it's not really smart to leave one place, after years of service, to move to another. SWA is at the top of the heap right now, but if things work out like they have over the last few decades, "top of the heap" status never lasts.
As US Air pilots from the 80's.
Ask United pilots from the 90's.
Ask Delta pilots from the 2000's.
Our contract will get way better.
Our retirements will kick in a lot sooner than SWA's.
If you ask me, the only thing that is certain is that things will change.
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Hockey,
Don't go unless you are 2-3 years old. Their 42 year old captains are not going anywhere for a long, long time.
Lets get our rules and pay up and there will be no reason to go to SWA, even for 2 year olds..
Don't go unless you are 2-3 years old. Their 42 year old captains are not going anywhere for a long, long time.
Lets get our rules and pay up and there will be no reason to go to SWA, even for 2 year olds..
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Delta has never enforced the 5 year rule. Most agree with that although some have a problem with guys going on 10 years of mil leave and then returning as Captains with a full military retirement.
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I might leave if I win $245M powerball.
But then again my plan is to keep that secret. So I might not leave. But I may drop a lot of stuff. Could you do that? I mean $245M is out there but say you won a lottery or something and were pulling down $500K on an annuity and didn't want to quit but you'd like to fly once a month. Just become a REG pilot and drop trips?
How does that work?
But then again my plan is to keep that secret. So I might not leave. But I may drop a lot of stuff. Could you do that? I mean $245M is out there but say you won a lottery or something and were pulling down $500K on an annuity and didn't want to quit but you'd like to fly once a month. Just become a REG pilot and drop trips?
How does that work?
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Any idea how much Sir Obama's "stimulus" tax on the airlines are gonna pick pocket DL directly, if it passes?
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