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Old 11-07-2011, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234 View Post
For the DPA supporters, what must the next contract be in order for you to say that ALPA was successful in our contract negotiations?
Simple: The industry's LEADING contract. I'm not saying it has to lead by huge percentages, but it HAS to lead. There is no reason for the industry's best pilots who work for the second largest airline to accept anything less. Especially when that airline is so profitable.

There are many ways to achieve this. My method would be to shoot for SWAPA plus 5% plus premiums for larger aircraft above the MD88. That's just one way. The main thing is that it has to be the industry's leading contract...in EVERY section of that contract. If ALPA does this for us at the end of Section 6, I will consider ALPA to have been a huge success for us.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:13 AM
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Unfortunately the answer is all to easy to predict. ALPA could never be successful in the eyes of some of these folks because they hate ALPA. No matter what, most of the DPA supporters will still want ALPA off the property at first sight of any TA.
Totally incorrect. Read my above post. If you really were a rep for 6 years, you truly must have been an awful one. It's shocking how you could state what you've stated above because it shows such an amazing lack comprehension.

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Unless ALPA wants to revisit the seniority list, waste negotiating capital on getting rid of the hat, and some how get us leather jackets to wear, these folks aren't interested in anything ALPA has to say.
Wow. And I thought you were a serious person. You're just another ALPA apologist who cannot stand that some of us want to exercise our democratic right to vote in a new union. You respond to this effort not by trying to get ALPA to raise its game, you respond to it by the tin foil hat comments of revisiting the seniority list. Shameful. I know it's all you got, but it's still shameful.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy View Post
People who say that don't know the SWA contract.
Or people who need to lie about what's actually in the SWAPA contract...eh Pineapple Guy?

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad View Post
Unless ALPA wants to revisit the seniority list, waste negotiating capital on getting rid of the hat, and some how get us leather jackets to wear, these folks aren't interested in anything ALPA has to say.
All the guys I've flown with for the last year (except maybe a relief pilot or two) have been RDs. ALL of the DPA supporters I've flown with have been RDs and NONE have mentioned any of the above as reasons for their support.

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PS.........I do want to see the hat become optional and a light windbreaker (vs the leather jacket) option for morning/rain walkarounds...........so I need to become a DPA guy? Just asking.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:22 AM
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Where is it???

The AE, where is it? What is the word on the street???
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude View Post
No specific knowledge here, but I would guess their quick answers and not wanting detail are a result of the previous grievance about harassing guys that were sick. I'd be willing to bet that the company legal team has directed that behavior. I actually like it. If I think I need to provide detail, I'll call the CPSC. Schedulers do not need to know what's wrong with me.
I agree. This is one of the items I like about the Delta vs NWA system.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
747 Pilot: Oh it's just like a big Piper Cub...

Evidently that's true, it can bounce just like a Piper Cub:

Did you notice how it jarred the right flap section? They kind of move anyway, but generally not that much. I saw a Luftansa A-340 hit so hard that it actually bounced back up about 50 feet. I thought they were going off the runway, but they managed to regain control. Looks like this 747 pilot realized his late flare and tried to fix it, but too late. I'm sure glad I've never done anything like that; not even twice! Ok, Ok, my third landing in the 88 was so hard that I think it may have changed the orbit of the earth.

P.S. LOT landing: Some of the later articles are now contradicting the initial ones. Now they are saying the crew realized they were going to land gear up after reaching Warsaw and making several attempts to extend the gear. Although it's still a mystery as to why the Alt Gear Ext system failed, this account would make much more sense.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:35 AM
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DPA members as of today:

3856

and rising.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer View Post
DPA has been very clear from the getgo that Seham is only an interim law firm. DPA membership will be given a chance to choose what legal entity represents them. ALPA guys here keep trying to smear DPA by digging up dirt on Seham. Its really simply, let me state again, Seham is helping navigate legal questions as they pop up right now but have NOT been given any contract, a promise of contract, wink of the eye or anything else going forward. ALPA guys need to look for something else to pick on. Nothing to see here folks. Move along....
The ALPA apologists and shills can't move along Jack. This type of stuff is all they have left. They cannot raise ALPA's game so that we actually WANT them as our union, they can only denigrate anyone who wants to leave.

I'm tickled at the irony shown by this latest nonsense. For years, the ALPA apologists have shown utter contempt for anything whatsoever coming from USAPA. Now they list USAPA mailings as their SOURCES to prove their points. Hilarious! They use these USAPA mailings even though they're filled with statements like: "seems as though" and "looks like".

Truth is that Lee and Marty Seham are really tough guys. Really tough. They get results. They've successfully decertified ALPA, thus they will be hated by ALPA forever. Their latest success on behalf of the NBA referee's union is just another example. If any of these billing claims against Seham were actually true, don't you think they would have been disbarred by now? Or at least be on the losing end of a billing lawsuit?

Instead our usual ALPA apologists TOTALLY IGNORE the fact that our ALPA lawyers were fined and SANCTIONED by the judge in the TWA case for lying in court about an opposing counsel. But be sure you don't talk about that. Instead, just talk about alleged billing problems with the DPA law firm chosen to decertify ALPA.

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
Then why is SSMP working at half-price? Altruism? Right....
Not at all. IF they are indeed working for half price, it's because going up against the embarrassingly bad lawyers of ALPA is just too easy.

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