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Old 10-24-2011 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I've already downsized mine. Granted, I bought my earlier home on non-Delta income but to make ends meet in CA, 70 hour guarantees at the current pay for an 11-year guy is damn near impossible. I don't know how more junior folks do it.
I've done horrible things that will haunt me forever.
Old 10-24-2011 | 03:15 PM
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Old 10-24-2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I've done horrible things that will haunt me forever.


So, never have I ever... [fill in the blank 80]
Old 10-24-2011 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Hummmmm, ghosts of Christmas past I remember another group argue this.

Dynamic List anyone?

But, as I've said before.....I'll believe Alaska when I see it. They are way to expensive and the bidding war will be ugly. But, I was also the guy who would have wagered his house that it was NWA and Continental
Who is gonna bid against us for Alaska?
AMR? no
SWA? doubtful
United? no
Us Air? no
Jet Blue? no
Delta might want a contract by the amendable date to go after someone else since most everybody is too busy to try it. We'll see.
P.S. It would be REALLY expensive for us to go after Alaska!

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Old 10-24-2011 | 03:38 PM
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30%, then a Herman Cain. (9,9,9)
Old 10-24-2011 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Who is gonna bid against us for Alaska?
AMR? no
SWA? doubtful
United? no
Us Air? no
Jet Blue? no
Delta might want a contract by the amendable date to go after someone else since most everybody is too busy to try it. We'll see.
P.S. It would be REALLY expensive for us to go after Alaska!
SWA no? AMR, ever heard of the Pan Am story?

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Old 10-24-2011 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
If you want to make 12 year min res 70 hours of 88 pay equal 12 years min res pay of 78 hours at SWA then you're looking at 48% increase.
I think that 48% number might be a little high if you're comparing reserve guarantees. SWA's reserve guarantee is 90 TFP. Their 12 year Captain (TFP) rate is $186.06. That would be $200,944.80 W-2. Our current (in 2012) 12 year Captain MD-88 rate is $167.68. At the 70 hour reserve guarantee, that would be $140,851.20 W-2. Percentage increase required to bring $140,851.20 up to $200,944.80 = 42.7%.

Now if you're talking reality... According to SWAPA, their average reserve makes 105 TFP per month. For the 12 year Captain, that results in a W-2 of $234,435.60. I don't know what our average MD-88 reserve Captain gets per month, but I suspect it's not a whole lot over 70. Then you're talking well over a 60% increase needed to match the average SWA reserve Captain.

While we're on this, let's take a look at the average MD-88 Captain versus the average SWA Captain. Let's assume that our average MD-88 Captain gets 80 hours per month. According to SWAPA, their average pilot gets 105 TFP per month (yes, the same as their reserves). So we're still looking at an average Captain W-2 of $234,435.60. Our 12 year MD-88 Captain at 80 hours per month is getting a W-2 of $160,972.80. Percentage increase needed for parity with SWA = 45.5%.
Old 10-24-2011 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hammer189
Who is gonna bid against us for Alaska?
AMR? no
SWA? doubtful
United? no
Us Air? no
Jet Blue? no
Delta might want a contract by the amendable date to go after someone else since most everybody is too busy to try it. We'll see.
P.S. It would be REALLY expensive for us to go after Alaska!
I still think it will be HA!
Old 10-24-2011 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
I believe that this looks a bit like an act of desperation on DALPA's part. Guys had about a month to fill out the survey. If they didn't do it then, they probably aren't going to do it now. Very sad that someone can't take two hours and give their opinion. Lord knows we've all heard the complainers rant for more than two hours in the cockpit about how things should be...

I just can't imagine being that disenfranchised.
Friend of mine knows one of the reps. He told him that he got a couple of emails in the middle of last night from pilots in China who were unable to fill out the survey. Seems like the blocked access to a BALLOT website.

42% plus 5,5,5.


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Old 10-24-2011 | 04:24 PM
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who cares? 99% 17, 17, 17

dont ask, dont get.

Go back and redo those surveys, you got about 65 hours left.
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