Do I make the check out to "Gloopy", or is it "Gloopy LLC" for tax purposes?

 

Actually if it came out that SWA pay is not enough I did not explain myself correctly. What I am saying is that achieving SWA pilots costs is not enough. No matter what the forum legends are on SW when we are before the NMB the actual numbers will be used. If we offered the company SWA pilot costs verses are 2 man pilot costs the company would sign that minute. In the last reported year SWA pilots average 166,000 in pay. Delta pilots average 142,000 in pay. Add in the 5 percent difference in DC money and the numbers are not that far apart.
What I put in my survey is that I would like to see us attempt to achieve SWA pilot pay rates on the MD88 with the rest of the fleets adjusted accordingly. That will put our actual block hour pilot costs quite a bit above SW. I also wanted significant raises each year of the contract in addition to the upfront raise.
Having asked quite a few pilots what they put down as a acceptable raise I can tell you that out of around 10 guys I was on the high side. Only 1 asked for more then I did in the survey. Not really a valid sample but I will bet money the average pilot in the survey fell in the 15 to 20 percent raise category.

 

A survey at an alpa luncheon doesn't count.

 

First, very bad sign that the union has to extend the deadline...seriously? Second, we are a cash business...let's break our pay paradigm and get a per cent of the gross. Let's be a true cost of doing business like all the other vendors (boeing, airbus, ge, catering, etc.).

Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:

1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.

2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.

3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!

4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.

5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.

6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.

7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.

8. 401k filled to 415c limits by the company. In addition, for every dollar that goes in the north retirement fund for the select few, a dollar goes into a fund for the north/south guys that are not a part of this benefit.

9. Sick leave/ disability back to C2K.

10. Medical/Dental premiums/co-pays greatly reduced.

11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.

12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.

13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.

I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.

These are my thoughts...not a personal attack on anyone/anything.

Good luck to us all.

 

Sounds like a solid plan!!!

 

It's a bad sign that it had to be extended yes but given the Q3 earnings report it may give some a chance to rethink their positions as theyre looking at their USAToday abd screaming... or mumbling... "pay me then! Huh? Survey? What survey?"

The real bad sign is guys asking for 15-25%. I take that's over 5 years? So 9 year FOs still will just be making $100,000 in 2017? I know that's min res on the lowest paying jet and one can always WS and trip park to higher pay.

 

Also hearing similar theme from the 2 dozen guys I've polled...10 to 20 per cent...stand-by for mega disappointment.

 

Does anyone know how to non-rev to Santiago or Lima? I have the highly sought after 1st week of December vacation block and was looking at warm destinations. I also saw something strange going to PPT (Polynesia). It shows a route to LAX, then a 777 with 0/0 capacity to PPT. ---Thanks

P.S. With my short attention span, the pin-up girls are what keep me coming back eCh morning with my coffee.

 

Sailing will come along and tell you that 9 year FO making $100k is about what a similar seniority SWA FO will be making. The data proves it.

 

Gloopy is en fuego.