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Quote: Does it hurt your feelings that a 737 domestic captain at Southwest makes more money than you do flying a 767 internationally? If I would have went to Southwest at my hire date here, I would have been much better off. I would be making what our MD-88 captains make, and I would be a solid line holder at almost any base Southwest has. Unfortunately, I couldn't justify buying a type for a shot at a job. Here I'm an MD-88 first officer making less than second year Southwest first officers going more than 4 years on reserve with at least another 3 in my future. Those are the facts. I don't know whether leaving for Southwest now or staying is better for me especially with the Airtran merger. I do know that there hasn't been anyone quit Southwest for Delta in 10 years while we lost new hires a year and a half ago to Southwest. I am going to wait until our next contract. I'm going to try and bid to the 737 to get the type. If the contract is unacceptable to me, it will be time to seriously try and get on at Southwest. I'm tired of our low standards over here with regards to everything (regional jets, ALPA, pay, reserves getting paid less than lineholders, low vacation credit, low training pay, harassing sick calls, etc.).
Great, no really, good for them. They are unified and have not been though CH11.

We take a pay raise lower than theirs, they will see freezes or pay cuts.

They had a good fuel hedge that they used to hose the rest of the industry. That is gone and the competition with the legacies is rationalized. Period.

ALPA no ALPA does not matter, look at their profits and business model of the last decade and a half. They got lucky with a 55 dollar a bbl hedge. We did not.
Quote: Does it hurt your feelings that a 737 domestic captain at Southwest makes more money than you do flying a 767 internationally?
Nope. I never depended on Delta for my retirement even when we had a DB plan. It was obvious even to me (with the help of ex-Western pilots) that it was a house of cards, so I budgeted and saved accordingly. Besides, I'm not that shallow.

Quote: If I would have went to Southwest at my hire date here, I would have been much better off. I would be making what our MD-88 captains make, and I would be a solid line holder at almost any base Southwest has. Unfortunately, I couldn't justify buying a type for a shot at a job. Here I'm an MD-88 first officer making less than second year Southwest first officers going more than 4 years on reserve with at least another 3 in my future. Those are the facts. I don't know whether leaving for Southwest now or staying is better for me especially with the Airtran merger. I do know that there hasn't been anyone quit Southwest for Delta in 10 years while we lost new hires a year and a half ago to Southwest. I am going to wait until our next contract. I'm going to try and bid to the 737 to get the type. If the contract is unacceptable to me, it will be time to seriously try and get on at Southwest. I'm tired of our low standards over here with regards to everything (regional jets, ALPA, pay, reserves getting paid less than lineholders, low vacation credit, low training pay, harassing sick calls, etc.).
Good for you. I hope you are happy with your decision. You'll be much more happy in the coming stagnation over at SWA I am sure.
Quote: It is easy for you. It's easy for me also. We have 30 years left. The pilot that has 5-10 years left it is not so easy for. We have a lot of those. I've had pilots tell me to my face they will vote yes for ANY raise.
I know that, and that is why I said in one of my previous posts to Carl, the issue is not ALPA or DALPA, the issue is our pilots and their desire to help them at your cost. It does not matter who the bargaining agent is, it is a pilot mentality issue.

When they have five years left and get displaced off the 777, they will finally get it, but than is too late.
Quote: Great, no really, good for them. They are unified and have not been though CH11.

We take a pay raise lower than theirs, they will see freezes or pay cuts.

They had a good fuel hedge that they used to hose the rest of the industry. That is gone and the competition with the legacies is rationalized. Period.

ALPA no ALPA does not matter, look at their profits and business model of the last decade and a half. They got lucky with a 55 dollar a bbl hedge. We did not.
I agree with you. That is why I am still at Delta and have no application in at Southwest. I am still jealous of how much more my former colleagues are making than me.
Quote: I agree with you. That is why I am still at Delta and have no application in at Southwest. I am still jealous of how much more my former colleagues are making than me.
What about your former colleagues that are at AMR, or LCC? This is really really sad.
Quote: I agree with you. That is why I am still at Delta and have no application in at Southwest. I am still jealous of how much more my former colleagues are making than me.
Hey I turned LUV down knowing in the short term I would make more there. Fact is that if you take a long term view, they will stagnate, and have issues if they do not join an alliance. I see that happening, but they are way behind the power curve on that one.

I suspect that we will top them in pay on the next contract (if we make it to section 6) and if we get a modification, it will happen during the agreement. Scope is number one, but a close second is pay, and we have to top them by a good margin for me to agree to anything.
Quote: What about your former colleagues that are at AMR, or LCC? This is really really sad.
I don't have any former colleagues there. AMR hasn't hired since I was in high school, and no one I know is dumb enough to go to LCC.
Quote: I agree with you. That is why I am still at Delta and have no application in at Southwest. I am still jealous of how much more my former colleagues are making than me.
My humble opinion, I wouldn't touch SWA. You think Big D stagnation is bad..? SWA is looking at years of stagnation and possibly pay cuts. They may keep their precious pay, but they will increase their CEO requested "efficiency," which means more productivity and less pilots. Just my opinion, but probably no movement there for a while. History always teaches us lessons, the one at the top with industry leading pay, never remains at the top. Just saying' be careful what you wish for. I hope SWA pilots can stay at the top for all of us, but I fear their cost creep will be taken advantage of by management.
Quote: I don't have any former colleagues there. AMR hasn't hired since I was in high school, and no one I know is dumb enough to go to LCC.
Well I have friends at both.

My friends that went to AMR in 1997 are hoping to upgrade before they are 50. They left before they were 30.

At LCC most of my friends are making 30 dollars an hr less than I am.
Quote: I hope SWA pilots can stay at the top for all of us
Why? Do you work there?
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