Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2011 | 08:36 AM
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12-19-2011 | 08:39 AM
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12-19-2011 | 08:40 AM
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Me too. 20% is nowhere close to restorative or even SWA. And anything other than a solid reversal of outsourcing is a non-starter. For me, it's going to take both... pay and scope. But scope without significantly restorative pay increases is not enough to do it by itself.
12-19-2011 | 08:40 AM
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12-19-2011 | 08:40 AM
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It's not my job to bash SWA projections, but:
1.) Do you think it's a fair comparison to use SWA pilots seniority from the integrated seniority list? I understand that they just got a big bump from the SLI, but are they able to exercise that increased seniority right now?
2.) Do you you thinks it's wise to base upgrade time based on the company's projected 2.1% growth? I've never seen a company grow after a merger and all the SWA commercials I see that tout "new service" are routes that Air Tran served for years. If I had a dollar for every time an airline made the unfulfilled promise that a merger would increase synergies and actually see growth because of it, I'd have an extra $10 by now.
1.) Do you think it's a fair comparison to use SWA pilots seniority from the integrated seniority list? I understand that they just got a big bump from the SLI, but are they able to exercise that increased seniority right now?
2.) Do you you thinks it's wise to base upgrade time based on the company's projected 2.1% growth? I've never seen a company grow after a merger and all the SWA commercials I see that tout "new service" are routes that Air Tran served for years. If I had a dollar for every time an airline made the unfulfilled promise that a merger would increase synergies and actually see growth because of it, I'd have an extra $10 by now.
Fair questions;
1. The analysis site only contains the integrated lists. You're correct though, the seniority bump will be more of a slow growth. Think of a boil
The gain will be realized over a 2 year period.2. The growth is conservative and the analysis was done by the MC based on orders. The number is actually 3.6 % if you include all options. 2.1% isn't exactly a rocket ship. SWA has already turned their current options into firm deliveries.
Anything could happen really. Maybe GK will sell all of the 717's to DAL.
12-19-2011 | 08:46 AM
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Hockey, you might leave DAL in a couple of years and you have 30 years left? Dude. Really?
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12-19-2011 | 08:48 AM
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12-19-2011 | 08:49 AM
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You know what really irks me? When people are surprised when something like LGA happens. It is legal by our PWA, and until guys "Get Religion" wrt to scope, they are always going to be surprised when the company does something they are totally within their contractual bounds to do. Only way to fix it is to fix the PWA, and until we stop looking at pay over scope, nothing will change. Period.
With one change:
Scope AND Pay
Let's not make those two items mutually contradictory.
When even Bill "unlimited rjs" Swellbar calls our scope "weak" we have a problem...
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12-19-2011 | 08:50 AM
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I think we have discussed this before, but I believe in Attila. I am not sure how me we spend on it. I hope some very smart people have done their homework and it indeed makes us money. However, from an untrained observer, flying into the busiest airport in the world is very easy. And I can't remember the last time I've been vectored. You fly the route assigned to you, and ATC speeds you up plus or minus 10 knots of so. Seems to me that something is working.
12-19-2011 | 08:53 AM
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