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Old 02-12-2012 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Can you show me a non-union form of governance that works effectively using your plan? Anything in big business where the BOD elects middle management? How about big government, where Congress elects civil service? Any example of where what you desire has been highly effective?
Another example of you using a false premise to somehow "prove" your false assertion. We're not talking about the BOD of a corporation electing middle management, because the MEC's committees are NOT middle management. They run the union because they are the real power structure. MEC committees are equivalent to senior level management of a corporation, and none of those positions get filled without Board approval.

You obviously don't like the fact that NuGuy nailed it with his post here:

Originally Posted by NuGuy
The last thing we need is more committees, and you will NEVER see a straight to membership communication as long as the current MEC structure is in place.

We need to wrest the committee structure back from the MEC Chair, and put it back where it belongs, with the MEC at large.
He is exactlly correct. Every committee person needs to be approved by our elected representatives. Every one. It is how corporations operate, and it is done this way for a reason.

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Oh, the mec has control of the committee structure. They elect the Chairman and Officers, plus confirm committee chairs.
What good does control of a committee "structure" do if you don't control the committee? It's all but meaningless. You must control the appointment of every single member to the committe, or you don't control it. I know you know this and were just trying to defend the indefensible, but I'm not the only one who notices when you do this.

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Old 02-12-2012 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Question. If you're on SC tomorrow, are you still considered LC for tomorrow?

For example, say that you have the list of pilots 1-10, say #1 - #5 are SC. A trip pops up for 18 hours from now. Does it go to pilot #1 who is on SC, i.e. revoke the SC and give them a trip or pilot #6, the first pilot on LC?

I know a reserve pilot is on long call on any on-call day on which he is not assigned to short call and I know what the ladder says but that's why I ask if you're still on LC.

But sometimes I have SC for the next day but they take it away and assign a trip most of the time with an earlier report but all > 12 hours. Sometimes they keep me on SC and go to the next LC guy. It goes either way and I was just trying to figure if that is schedulers discretion or there was a rule?

Will keep a lookin'.
At the very least Whitlow will require 8 hours of rest prior to SC, because SC is not considered rest...

Off the top of my head the SC assignment removes the reserve pilot from obligations of being contactable but reality is that it's hit or miss on whether you'll be called prior to a trip being placed on your schedule when assigned SC for the next day...

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Old 02-12-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Just the power of a dozen members working together is outstanding. Can you imagine what the DPA could accomplish if they focused their efforts in a constructive way?
Asked and answered many times, but here goes again. We have a TON of experience at DPA right now. Many former high up people at DALPA and NWAPLA. It is the unanimous opinion of those folks (and of me) that DALPA could successfully block any attempt at change for a very long time due to its structure and willingness to change/ignore its own rules.

Therefore, we consider "constructive" efforts as giving Delta pilots a superb in-house alternative if/when the majority wills it.

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Old 02-12-2012 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
NWA had ordered the 787 as a hedge against Japan "open skies" making Narita economically obsolete. They learned from Delta management's experience when the 1996 German open skies killed Frankfurt in 1997. The hubs were quite similar...slot and environmental controlled, using just over 300 slots per week and served from 9 US origin markets with 17 beyond destinations. Japan "open skies" really aren't, but there is room for only two alliance partners there. All Nipon is with Star, and JAL is with oneworld. As long as Haneda access is somewhat restricted NRT will do OK. If Haneda ever truly opens and Delta doesn't get a significant slot and gate portfolio, NRT will be like LHR vs LGW. It will become the discount and secondary destination airport.

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Northwest Airlines Orders Boeing 787

MINNEAPOLIS, May 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Northwest Airlines (Nasdaq: NWAC) announced today that it has ordered 18 Boeing 787 twinjet airliners to support the carrier's long-term fleet renewal program.

Initial deliveries of the 787 will begin in August 2008. Northwest also holds options and purchase rights for an additional 50 aircraft.

Northwest will be the first North American carrier to put the 787 "Dreamliner" into revenue service.

"We believe that the Boeing 787 provides Northwest Airlines with a new- generation, long-range aircraft that will allow us to tailor our growing international route system to best address our customers' travel needs," said Doug Steenland, Northwest Airlines president and chief executive officer.

"This order is part of Northwest's strategic plan to invest for the long term. With a strong global route system, unconstrained hubs that allow for future growth, one of the industry's strongest airline alliance groupings and a dedicated work force, Northwest is well positioned for long-term success, once we align our costs with anticipated revenues," Steenland added.

Northwest's 787s will carry 36 passengers in World Business Class and 185 customers in coach class and will have a non-stop range of up to 8,500 nautical miles (15,700 kilometers).

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is designed with passengers, airlines, investors and the environment in mind. The technologically advanced airplane will use 20 percent less fuel than today's airplanes of comparable size, provide airlines with up to 45 percent more cargo capacity, and present passengers with innovations including a new interior environment with higher humidity, wider seats and aisles, larger windows, and other conveniences.

Northwest's current long-haul international fleet includes 31 modern Boeing and Airbus aircraft. The airline was the launch customer of the Boeing 747-400, and today operates a fleet of 16 of the wide-body aircraft.

Northwest also operates 15 Airbus A330 aircraft, including eight -300s and seven -200s. Northwest was the first U.S. airline to operate the A330-200. Northwest has an additional 17 A330s on order, including nine from an order for 24 A330s placed by the airline in January of 2001, and eight from a second order placed in January of this year.

All of Northwest's Boeing 747-400 and Airbus A330 aircraft are equipped with the airline's lie-flat World Business Class seats, which offer 176 degrees of recline, more degrees of recline than any other U.S. airline's competing product, as well as an array of innovative comforts and features including a state-of-the-art in-flight entertainment system.

"The Boeing 787 and 747-400, along with the Airbus A330, will allow Northwest to continue to offer a convenient schedule to key Asia/Pacific and European destinations while realizing the economics of a fuel-efficient international fleet," Steenland concluded.

Northwest Airlines is the world's fourth largest airline with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,600 daily departures. Northwest is a member of SkyTeam, an airline alliance that offers customers one of the world's most extensive global networks. Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 900 cities in excess of 160 countries on six continents.

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Old 02-12-2012 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.
FYI...Who flies the majority of Delta's domestic brand...Delta, or DCI + Code Share??

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Old 02-12-2012 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
It is our choice to allow this to happen... too bad nobody's listening.
And it's a good thing too. After all, if we didn't allow all this outsourcing, we'd really be shrinking...right tsquare?

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Old 02-12-2012 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
I'll define a commutable trip as one with a mid-morning or later sign-in and a completion before the last flight of the night out...

There are early morning departures from most (if not all) pilot domiciles. Those trips need to be covered...

I live in base and don't particularly enjoy 0-dark-thirty sign-ins. If my seniority allows me to hold trips with more gentlemanly sign-ins (AKA: commuter friendly) I will bid them if I want to. (I suspect many pilots who live in base will do so as well.)

I'm not out to screw someone, but sign-in time is one of the parameters I evaluate when I look at bidding. I'm not going to bid "crappy" trips so the more junior commuters have an easier commute.

If a commuting pilot don't have the seniority to hold commutable trips, perhaps they should consider bidding a category that allows them that ability.
I agree. While it's good policy for the company to accommodate commuters, it's not any individual's responsibility to bid in a way that accommodates anyone junior to them. I'm not an early riser, either; I never bid the early sign-ins in CVG (before I had to commute).

As you said, everyone needs to bid a category that gives them their desired QOL, if possible. With PBS, I wouldn't consider bidding into any category below 50%. In New York on the ER, I wouldn't consider being below the top 40%.
Old 02-12-2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Good to hear, Scoop. Which has me thinking...not enough side/under/over/anyboob on here lately.


Jesse!!!!!

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Old 02-12-2012 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Question. If you're on SC tomorrow, are you still considered LC for tomorrow?

For example, say that you have the list of pilots 1-10, say #1 - #5 are SC. A trip pops up for 18 hours from now. Does it go to pilot #1 who is on SC, i.e. revoke the SC and give them a trip or pilot #6, the first pilot on LC?

I know a reserve pilot is on long call on any on-call day on which he is not assigned to short call and I know what the ladder says but that's why I ask if you're still on LC.

But sometimes I have SC for the next day but they take it away and assign a trip most of the time with an earlier report but all > 12 hours. Sometimes they keep me on SC and go to the next LC guy. It goes either way and I was just trying to figure if that is schedulers discretion or there was a rule?

Will keep a lookin'.
Yes it should go to pilot #1, you are still on long call and next for flying even though you have a SC the next day. They have called me at night and assigned a trip and taken me off SC. You can call ALPA on Mon and I'm sure they would tell you the same thing. But I wouldn't put it passed Scheduling to just do what they want. The last few months I have been 2 for 3 on items they have missed with giving out trips. I was told sorry new people.
Old 02-12-2012 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
By the same token, a commuter's QOL should not be boosted at the expense of an in-base guy's QOL, should it?

Frankly, I am a little tired of the entitled attitude seen above. The world does not revolve around you just because you are commuting. And it shouldn't.
And frankly, I'm surprised you're assuming I want it to come at the expense of non-commuters. This is something the company will have to give to us at no expense if they want to continue to shift things around. Otherwise, the so called synergies will go right out the window as sick calls increase and performance tanks.

As a far as the entitlement comment goes, I'm going to have to raise the hypocrite flag on you. You want to make our contract better. Well so do I.
Whether you like it or not, there will ALWAYS be commuters. You may find yourself commuting one day. How will you feel then? Are we all supposed to move to base to tailor to the needs of those who live in base? Why should it all be day trips and 3 days? What if I want to be more productive?

My point is this pilot group is huge, and we are supposed to be unified. That means take AND give. Some guys look at trips and assume that the only reason the company builds them that way is for commuters. Truth is there are many reasons CARMEN uses that many pilots don't even know about. Too much assumption by a lot of pilots who think everything is done for commuters. The world doesn't revolve around commuters, & it doesn't revolve around non commuters.

With all the comments from non commuters on the contract survey that absolutely trashed commuters, I'm shocked you actually have the audacity to say I have a sense of entitlement. From the attacks I read, it seems quite the opposite. If you go back and read my post, you'll see I never said I wanted better reserve rules to come at the expense of anyone. I'm actually surprised that you of all people would take the attitude that it must come at someone else's expense. I said the company needs to make it more friendly, or costs will continue to rise IMO.

If we can't become unified to improve the lives of all our pilots, then we can expect to continue with mediocre contracts regardless of who represents us.
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