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Old 06-28-2011 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think part of it may be that there is so much 737 flying through DTW, MEM, & MSP now. Could that effect it?
Before I left the DTW base I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of 737s over-nighting there. I'm sure there is a strong case for basing some there. I don't know enough about the 737 and A320 to argue why one is significantly different than the other. I think one of the most significant differences is that the 320's don't have seat-back entertainment, so I guess the 737 would be favored on longer flights because of that.
Old 06-28-2011 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think part of it may be that there is so much 737 flying through DTW, MEM, & MSP now. Could that effect it?
I know the DTW 320 has alot of trip credit. Most trips I fly have 7-8 hrs of trip rig for a 5 day rotation. 2 years ago I would average 86 hrs in my logbook and now I average 54 hours, that is per page entry.
Old 06-28-2011 | 02:01 PM
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We better realize what we are up against when there's talk about getting back to C2K payrates. Management has no intention of allowing that to happen.
Did anyone else see the UAL/CAL CEO's interview in Fortune last month?

Jeff Smisek:

When we closed the merger, I did 16 CEO exchanges around the system where I met with my co-workers. I'd stand up and answer any question they wanted. They were not used to that at United, I can assure you. They were at Continental.
I'm starting on a round in Europe next week. I'll do Asia, I'll do Latin America, and then I'll start more in the U.S. again, just being visible, answering people's questions, and being honest with them. "When are you going to snap me back to the wages I had in the year 2000?" Answer: never. That was a different time, and you will never be paid like you were in 2000. We're in a different business now. Low-cost carriers used to be a small percentage of the U.S. market. Now they're a giant piece. Business has changed, and people respect you when you're honest.


Leadership: The Jeff Smisek interview with Geoff Colvin - Apr. 21, 2011

And yet I am sure his pay has not been cut in half. I am sure he actually makes a heck of a lot more than whomever was CEO in 2000.
Old 06-28-2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
And it shouldn't be difficult to convince the NMB that a Delta pilot flying a 737 out of Atlanta should be paid the same as an AirTran pilot flying a 737 out of Atlanta. We have some leverage here if ALPA chooses to use it.

SWA pay and no more RJ's!!
Except the DAL 737s go to Colombia, Ecuador, and Central America. The MD88 goes to the places that the AirTran 737s go, and that should be the comparison.
Old 06-28-2011 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Before I left the DTW base I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of 737s over-nighting there. I'm sure there is a strong case for basing some there. I don't know enough about the 737 and A320 to argue why one is significantly different than the other. I think one of the most significant differences is that the 320's don't have seat-back entertainment, so I guess the 737 would be favored on longer flights because of that.
I can't comment on the other 73 bases but we LA guys are constantly flying through Detroit. About 1/3 of my layovers are there. I think, also, the CVG 73 guys are doing a lot of DH'ing due to the draw down in flying there. Last time I flew through CVG, we were the only Delta mainline jet on the ramp. Its sad.
Old 06-28-2011 | 03:07 PM
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I think the issue is the CVG base and a lack of a based in DTW. I suspect that in the next two years you will see the CVG 737 flying moved to DTW.
Old 06-28-2011 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think the issue is the CVG base and a lack of a based in DTW. I suspect that in the next two years you will see the CVG 737 flying moved to DTW.
Agreed. I also see MEM 320 going to either ATL or NYC.
Old 06-28-2011 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Agreed. I also see MEM 320 going to either ATL or NYC.
Or DFW, one can only hope
Old 06-28-2011 | 08:03 PM
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Funny, is he making 40% less now than the airlines CEO in 2000 (total compensation). How about his pension? Yep, times are different, unfortunately it is only different for the front line.
Spot on! Sick of their bs rhetoric. Why have we taken 42% pay cuts & loss of pension while CEO's & other employee groups take minimal cuts & in some cases raises over what they were making 10 years ago. SWA rates plus or I'm voting NO!
Old 06-28-2011 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Spot on! Sick of their bs rhetoric. Why have we taken 42% pay cuts & loss of pension while CEO's & other employee groups take minimal cuts & in some cases raises over what they were making 10 years ago. SWA rates plus or I'm voting NO!
SWA rates and scope for the 88 and adjusted $:$ for the rest of the group.

Actually, that's about $30K raise on the top end or $350K before 401K. So how about $50K per pilot? $50K x 12260 = $613M.
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