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Old 06-29-2011 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNid
I'm on my 6th on call day with 4 more to go until my next x day (domestic). I should expect a call putting me in rest for tomorrow shouldn't I? What should I do/what can they do with me if the call doesn't come? Thanks for the info.
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I am coming up on this same situation and have been trying to find the answer in writing. I have been looking at "When Scheduling Calls" and the contract and haven't found anything yet. The only thing that I have found referencing it so far is on the Crew Resources and Scheduling page. "As a result, it is possible for PBS to award RES days on Sept 1-2 which would give the pilot 11 consecutive RES days. This is both FAR and Contractually compliant and only requires a 24 hour break in duty in any 7 day period" Nothing about a phone call though, seems to me that they would have to put rest on your schedule somewhere to make you legal. Hopefully someone will be able to come up with a better answer.

I'm not sure they have to actually call you, but it's likely they will. They may actually assign you rest, & it probably WON'T be a calendar day but more than likely a specific 24 hr period like 0800 30JUN- 0800 01JUL.

They'll get to the assignment, but right now are likely busy covering open time & assigning SC's.
Old 06-29-2011 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNid
So other than the dh to rest. They can't use me until they put me in rest?
That's correct. You have to have 24 hours free from all company responsibilities, including any requirement to be on call. So, they have to put it on your schedule and you have to acknowledge it for it to count.

I assume you know this, but if you've had a 24 hour layover in the preceding six days, that resets the clock.

No requirement to check you schedule or answer your phone during the 24 hour break, however I would check your schedule just in case. I get a little fuzzy on exactly how early they can make you report after the 24 hour break.

*edit... I believe the answer is they can make you report 3 hours after the end of your 24 hour rest, if they put the trip on your line 9 hours prior to the end of your rest.
Old 06-29-2011 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bluejuice71
Spot on! Sick of their bs rhetoric. Why have we taken 42% pay cuts & loss of pension while CEO's & other employee groups take minimal cuts & in some cases raises over what they were making 10 years ago. SWA rates plus or I'm voting NO!
I have to agree 100%.

I told our reps what my number is and it is above SWA +1%. For us to get a yes vote they will need to fix everything else and beast the old/current SWA rates by a good margin.

Just remember when filling out the survey, Scope and Pay in that order.
Old 06-29-2011 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm not sure they have to actually call you, but it's likely they will. They may actually assign you rest, & it probably WON'T be a calendar day but more than likely a specific 24 hr period like 0800 30JUN- 0800 01JUL.

They'll get to the assignment, but right now are likely busy covering open time & assigning SC's.
They will wait and make sure there are no trips that need to be covered that have a 24hr+ break first. If they can get one of those, that takes care of that pesky 24 in 7 issue.

It is not free of company obligation, it is free from duty or "on call" reserve. Big Difference.
Old 06-29-2011 | 09:04 AM
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Really, is there a Holiday Inn that's decent?

Not talking Holiday Inn Express', those are nice, just regular old HI's not near anything in walking distance.
Old 06-29-2011 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
In one of the latest emails from SD, he mentioned that the 737 fleet has a lot of credit in their rotations. He was mentioning it relation to a possible DTW 737 base. Can any of the 737 guys here talk about the credit they see in their rotations? Where does it seem to be coming from?

Seems strange there would be so much credit when we have lots of 737 bases - I can't see why there would be much deadheading or short days that generate lots of credit.
Apparently scheduling looks at a layover as "credit." They hate credit. That is why the 320 was opened in ATL. Many of the islands turns that the DTW 320 was doing had an overnight in ATL because of duty day. They want to do away with that.

Turn that same metric in DTW on the 737. There are a lot of layovers in DTW on the 737. You will see this opening up in DTW in the not too distant future.
Old 06-29-2011 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Apparently scheduling looks at a layover as "credit." They hate credit. That is why the 320 was opened in ATL. Many of the islands turns that the DTW 320 was doing had an overnight in ATL because of duty day. They want to do away with that.

Turn that same metric in DTW on the 737. There are a lot of layovers in DTW on the 737. You will see this opening up in DTW in the not too distant future.
Agreed. I figured we would see on by early 2012.
Old 06-29-2011 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

It is not free of company obligation, it is free from duty or "on call" reserve. Big Difference.
Care to explain this "big difference?"
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Originally Posted by orvil
Apparently scheduling looks at a layover as "credit." They hate credit. That is why the 320 was opened in ATL. Many of the islands turns that the DTW 320 was doing had an overnight in ATL because of duty day. They want to do away with that.

Turn that same metric in DTW on the 737. There are a lot of layovers in DTW on the 737. You will see this opening up in DTW in the not too distant future.

You think they hate it now, wait until the next contract and we have daily trip guarantee jacked up over 6.25hr/day. THAT will induce more efficient line creation.
Old 06-29-2011 | 10:28 AM
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If correct, look at the number of pilots over 60 in ATL A and DTW A positions. Not so much of 62 and above but 60 and 61 years old. For instance, ATL 765 A, 42% are above 60 but only 3% of the category is over 62. Very similar numbers for 744 A.

Just food for thought on where movement may be generated in the next few years to come.





Now if 744 B would have retirements and the fence dropped, good ole Carl may have to put up with good ole 80 and FTB on a trip. "Gosh, it stinks in the crew rest area?"
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