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Old 06-30-2011 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I note that you left out of your tidbits that when on reserve SWA stands 15 shortcalls of 15 hours per month, with a 2 hour callout window. I believe their guarantee is 78 hours, but I'll have to double check. Are you leaving out some of the detes?
No, I did what alfa suggested and looked it up on this website. It didn't say anything about SC/month as it was a PAY RATE page. It would have taken me longer than 17 seconds to do more in-depth research.

For everyone else:

As I posted earlier, THE CURRENT SWA CA PAYRATE IS NOT $210/hr, ITS $212/hr minus a few pennies.

Its a $5/hr difference from 747/777 pay at DAL.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA just negotiated the pay rate for the 800. If they did not ask for a different pay rate during that negotiation its unlikely they will on the 2012 contract. SWAPA does not actually like the result of being at the top of the pay scales. They would like nothing better then for other airlines to regain their historical advantage. Being at the top has led to stagnation and no growth for the first time in their history. They have essentially had their current pay rates since 2002 and have asked for only token raises since then. Don't look for any major push on SWAPA's part for any large raises or changes in the contract in 2012. The critical negotiations for Delta pilots are USAir, American and United. It does not appear likely that any of those airlines will reach a agreement prior to our amendable date.
Why should this contract be any different than in years past? I don't buy your argument about them not liking being on top though. But I am sure they aren't gonna set any bars.. they never have before....
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

discuss...

p.s. this idea is being floated by some of the reps...
I dislike the 12%, like the 10% DC bump and would like lower premiums. I see this group voting for a SWA+8-15%, with the others as part of the deal. It would equate to about a 42% increase.

Must haves are fixing 23K. They go to the bottom of the bucked, what Bucking just wrote, the 5th and 6th weeks of vacation returning, and fixing the min day to a min day not a DPA or a DPM, and adding sick time. First and foremost is a Domestic Cabatoge clause that protects us from an end round in Sky Team, a sunset of DCI agreements, and the ability of our section on not just to bound DAL coded flying by any holding company or corporation that does a metal neutral, code share, interline, etc agreement with.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

discuss...

p.s. this idea is being floated by some of the reps...
Put the cash in the paycheck. If the good Captain wants to pump his 401K, he can make that selection. We are big boys and can make that decision for ourselves.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

discuss...

p.s. this idea is being floated by some of the reps...
Unacceptable, no mention about Scope improvements.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Modification from the floor:
  • 70 hour guarantee is fine
  • Every period of short call generates same 5:15 credit as pilots flying a trip
  • Allow pilots to bid for as much short call as they can stand
  • Status Quo w/ regard to max days on (no morons working 26 days a month)
  • Allow reserves to white slip
The concept of having short call pay credit over long call is important IMHO. Short call requires a pilot to commute and prevents them from doing something else. It is like being at work, but not being paid. Further, some short call assignments seem to be manipulated to keep reserves above 50 and below 70 hours a month. When tying to pick up over 70 they always assign a short call that takes you out contention.

I'm all for working and getting paid for it. Those who don't want to commute for reserve could use the long call to their advantage too.
I agree, and I believe they do that as well. They will also assign SC early in the day to get to a pilot with a lower raw, or with five days versus 6+. It is very easy to see.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

discuss...

p.s. this idea is being floated by some of the reps...
I'm not talking about his numbers per se, but the concept of getting compensation is other ways rather than straight pay rates is where we need to be heading IMO... Conceptually anyway...

LGBP...
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Put the cash in the paycheck. If the good Captain wants to pump his 401K, he can make that selection. We are big boys and can make that decision for ourselves.
I would love for all a higher DC to the point that a mid level FO can max out and not contribute a dime. I would be happy to pay more takes the rest of my career if I could max that sucker out for 75% of my career. It would give me the option of getting out in my mid 50's.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
I recently flew with a MSP Captain who told me that he would go for a 12% pay increase, an additional 10% company contribution to 401k, and a significant reduction in health insurance premiums, all to add up to what he called a roughly 30% pay raise.

discuss...

p.s. this idea is being floated by some of the reps...

12% is not going to cut it on the pay raise side. 10% more into the 401K would exceed the 415C limit of 49,000 per year for many if not most pilots with their 401K contribution. If the contract required the company to convert the 24% to pay once the 415C limit was reached it might entice some pilots to vote for the package. It would not get my vote.
Dalpa has not even started constructing the opener so for now its all moot anyway. They will not begin that process until after the contract survey which will be in the August time frame.
The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.
Old 06-30-2011 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
12% is not going to cut it on the pay raise side. 10% more into the 401K would exceed the 415C limit of 49,000 per year for many if not most pilots with their 401K contribution. If the contract required the company to convert the 24% to pay once the 415C limit was reached it might entice some pilots to vote for the package. It would not get my vote.
Dalpa has not even started constructing the opener so for now its all moot anyway. They will not begin that process until after the contract survey which will be in the August time frame.
The opener from the company I suspect will stun most pilots. I would expect something on the order of a 3 percent pay raise with 3 percent each year offset by work rule concessions to cover the cost of the raise. Visible pilot reaction to managements opener will help determine the final outcome of the contract.
I'm telling you that's when we pull out the sexist/racist card.

Equal pay for equal work.
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