Originally Posted by PilotFrog

Can someone explain the SWA trips for pay for me? In their welcome package it says .74 TFP per hour min. It also says 6.5 TFP is the daily guarantee. Does that correspond to 4.8 hr daily guarantee? Seems to me that is lower than Delta REG pilot of 5:15
The 90 reserve guarantee also keeps being thrown around,but that is 90 TFP noy 90 hrs. 90 TFP equates to 66.6 hrs if I am doing my math correctly.

I just don't want us to be screaming for SWA rates when we don't quite understand them. SWA is a combination of the great efficiency they use their pilots and the good duty/trip rigs, not just the pay. I do know that if we take their W-2s and fit them into what we want to work monthly we can figure out what our rate should be to surpass them, but throwing out numbers like 90 guarantee and 6.5 daily isn't great. Apple and oranges as they say.

All I know is that my buddy at SWA got hired 8 months before I got hired at Delta and he makes a heck of a lot more than I do.

Originally Posted by Boomer

BlueMoon was smart enough to dump Comair.

Originally Posted by FlyingViking

No worries mate, nothing wrong with SWA pilots and no disrespect to any of them. I just feel we are playing at a different level.

Originally Posted by slowplay

I think you have it backwards still. TFP's aren't hours. 1.1393 TFP is one flight hour. A 6.5 TFP day is worth 5+42 .

Originally Posted by cfitstew

I'm not a SWA pilot but I was a flight attendant there for 12 years and we were paid the same. In the most basic terms, we were paid by distance. 1 TRIP FOR PAY (TFP) was 243 nautical miles, or the distance from DAL to HOU. That flight was usually blocked at :50 but you were paid 1 TFP. Every city pair had a corresponding TFP value. On top of this we had trip and duty rigs which would kick in. If I remember right the minimum pay for a three day was 19.5 TFP and 26.5 TFP for a four day. Hope this makes sense.

Here is an example of an average 3 day from when I was an F/A at SWA. The pilots and F/As had different pairings since we had different duty days (ours was 10-1/2 hours max contractually) but the makeup of them was similar. Three day trip with 18:35 block and it paid 21.5 Trips For Pay.



FLT DEP ARR EQ BLK GRN TFP
1956 HOU 1735 SAT 1830 700 0 55 20 100
1956 SAT 1850 PHX 2120 700 0 230 25 S 290
1956 PHX 2145 SMF 2345 700 0 200 1505 230
SMF 1405 Rls 0015 525 DUTY 740 620

1096 SMF 1450 LAS 1610 300 0 120 30 150
1096 LAS 1640 MCI 1930 300 0 250 30 S 330
3159 MCI 2000 SAN 2340 300 0 340 1450 S 430
SAN 1350 Rls 0010 750 DUTY 950 910

339 SAN 1430 LAS 1540 300 0 110 25 130
339 LAS 1605 TUL 1840 300 0 235 20 S 310
339 TUL 1900 HOU 2035 300 0 135 0 180
Rls 2105 520 DUTY 705 620

TTL 1835 BLK
2435 DUTY
2150 TFP

Originally Posted by Brocc15

So the early retirement close time has passed, anyone know exactly how may took the leave? I suppose we have to wait till the 9-5ers are back in the office tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone has access to that info.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Actually, the real number comes out on the 15th, which is the deadline to pull your retirement request.

There are always quite a few that pull at the last moment.

Nu

Originally Posted by Brocc15

So the early retirement close time has passed, anyone know exactly how may took the leave? I suppose we have to wait till the 9-5ers are back in the office tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone has access to that info.

Originally Posted by paxhauler85

Let me get this straight - you seem to think that you're "at different level" than SWA pilots because of you MIL experience and the fact that you went to riddle?

Instead of worshiping you for overpaying for a mediocre education, we should pass around a hat for you. You could have paid off your loans much quicker at SWA, but then again you wouldn't have been hired into a 767 and had your head pushed fully up your rear.

Get real dude. Your peers are cringing - quit making them look bad.

Conversely, nicely done keeping up the Riddle kids stereotype. Every one I've met is just like you.