Carl Spackler

Yes you could. You would then be in control of your local union...which would still be controlled by ALPA which controls your finances and access to experts. And you'd also still be controlled by an organization that represents the regionals and must see to it that they prosper as well. That's what you just refuse to state because you know that's the deal breaker. If you could "fix" that at ALPA national, then you'd have my ear.

Another straw man, and I know you know it. How can ANY of us change what might ultimately end up in the opener before the opener is exchanged? That process is totally controlled by the MEC. Whether they use our survey data is irrelevant because they are under no obligation to show us that data, or abide by it.

Again, you're using a false choice to disparage our in-house union attempt. "Not even attempted?" As I've said above, all ANY of us outside of the MEC can do is fill out the survey...nothing else.

Carl

forgot to bid

One thing to remember is our pay is directly tied to our competition in Atlanta.

If we asked for $50K increase per pilot, we'd be reminded of how much AirTran pilots make and why that can't happen.

Now that AirTran pilots make more than our 747/777 pilots for flying domestic 717s and 737s, we should be getting pay parity for equal aircraft and mission flying, right?

DAL 88 Driver

Yeah, I'm in the same boat (for now). I think I flew just under 300 last year. You and I are probably outliers on the low end. And I'm sure there are some outliers on the high end too. But I can just about guarantee you it doesn't average to 91.7 hours for the whole group.

forgot to bid

Also, where would the United States be if it's residents could not elect their President or Senator, just their House of Representative member.

I think the founders put in a system that allows for a bloodless revolution if so desired every four years. I think we should be guaranteed the right to have a bloodless revolution from time to time within our own union and not be relegated to recalling one member of many in the hopes of eventually effecting change.

Or affecting change.

Damnit I don't care grammar nazi's, if it was meant to be clear they should've made it clear.

ITSALLGOOD

Back when I was going through indoc in 2007, a top executive used to come in and spend an hour talking to the new class. When specifically asked about a future merger, of course he denied one was in the works. But, when someone pressed him as to who the most likely merger candidates would be if it happened, he said "The ones that are the most interesting are NWA, Hawaiian and Alaska" in that order. Just an interesting tidbit.

Personally I don't think DAL is interested in a merger until after the JFK terminal project and the LGA hub are up and running...then they need to turn to the weak spot in our system...the West Coast. That could certainly involve AS or Hawaiian.

forgot to bid

Trip parking. But it won't end up at 91.7 hours. I haven't ever seen numbers, maybe Sailing has, but in my view from an eyeball test I'd say it'd be hard to get the average much above 840. Most guys I know who do a 90+ hour line can't keep up that pace month after month.

But I also thought Casey Anthony would be found guilty but I never realized the jury was never given the proper question to answer.

forgot to bid

I think Hawaiian. Because then you have Hawaiian and still have free milk and a cow with AS.

Yes. I said Free Milk and A Cow.



You're welcome.

Ferd? Is that you?

ITSALLGOOD

I think you are right. DAL is already getting a lot of the benefits of a merger w/AS without the costs and headaches of merger. Hawaiian on the other hand could be absorbed much more cheaply.

hockeypilot44

Am I the only one who thinks in five years we will still be under the same contract or an extension of our current contract offering a 4 percent raise per year barely letting us keep up with inflation? I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like there is not an airline out there that has received a decent contract in a timely manner in the last decade or so. It's a different world these days where we are looked at as numbers instead of assets. Companies don't care if we're happy these days. They just care about outsourcing us and keeping our costs as low as possible.

I am not management. I will go on strike if need be and will vote no on just about any contract out there. I've sent my DPA card in. I am keeping my expectations low as I don't have a lot of faith in our union or my fellow pilots.

Check Essential

DALPA has just spent the last few years investing in "constructive engagement" in order to avoid that exact scenario. We supposedly have an excellent relationship with management. The whole idea is to have a contract done by the amendable date and without all the rancor and disruption.
If we aren't clearly on the way to having this thing done by the amendable date then Moak and O'Malley and their whole non-confrontational philosophy of "partnering" with management will have lost all credibility.
The DPA will waltz right in with an overwhelming vote.