You are right, but I did not want to post the most likely numbers since the the outsourcing advocates would be along to challenge any possible distinction to discredit the post.

But you figure anyone hired after the outsourcing rage began lost between $30,000 to $50,000 and upper year on not making Captain. Those below them lost roughly $15,000 to $20,000 a year an up not holding schedules. Those below them lost longevity while performing outsourced flying at a different division of Delta (managers had no problem walking the imaginary line across while keeping their longevity) and those pilots below the reserves are still stuck at the outsourcing providers not making any real progress on their career (unless they choose to stick it out where they are at).

Everyone from the most junior to most senior suffers the effects of whipsaw which forces compensation to be competitive with the lowest common choice management can use.

I would not care if ALPA increased my dues ... if they'd get back to the basics of unionism.

 

Denny, I agree that profit sharing is a good example; but the perfect example was jumpseat. For those who haven't been at DAL for that long, we used to be about the only carrier that prohibited use of the jumpseat. During the concessionary 1996 contract, we were finally able to negotiate use of it, and DAL turned around and gave the flight attendants the same thing.

About six months later, I actually had a flight attendant tell me how nice DAL was to give them the jumpseat, and she asked if we had it too! I bit my lip so hard, I never could get the blood stain out of my shirt.

 

Absolutely awesome!

I've given up on helping them with bags. I'll be nice to them in every other way (well, "almost" every other way), but it's a principle of mine that they lift what they pack. I have enough back and shoulder problems with the crap we have to carry. I've had them stand near an overhead with the look (and whimpering) your dog gives you when it needs to go outside, and I've even had one tell me that carrying her bags was a precondition to eating. They were all disappointed in the outcome.

 

Yes Pineapple that is a perfect example. I had the same experience!! There are many great examples out there.........

Denny

 

I think its more than just a principle. If they can't lift their bags, what chance do they have to help our passengers with the overwing exits or into the raft or out of the aircraft? After all, according to their PA announcements, they are there for our safety! Maybe its time that they had to go get a medical once a year.

Heard a great story about a CA that was hearing complaints on the 777 about one particularly senior Mama that just sat on the jumpseat and wouldn't work the flight. The other FAs were sick of it, so he had the Senior Mama sit on the jumpseat and he asked her to perform her emergency procedures; she couldn't, so he called and had her replaced! May be just an urban legend, but I like it.

For the Cat Ranchers:

 

Whew, I thought I was the only one. I hated those stations where you had to drag bags up and down the stairs like DAK and MOS. They would look at me with that "I'm waiting" look and id tell them there are only two women who's bags I'd carry, one is my mother and the other I sleep with. So unless you are either one of those, carry your own bags. Thank goodness none have volunteered to join the club.

 

To my fellow ER brothers and sisters, is it safe to pitch all my jepps now?

I can't tell you what a relief it is to not have to lug that flight case around!!!

 

Yes, yes it is safe! Feb. 11 was the first day you didn't have to carry your flight kit. Just remember the items you still need to carry like a flashlight.

Denny

 

Why would you help a flight attendant with her bags since it states in their contract that they are not to lift the bags of the passengers? All you are doing is creating back and shoulder problems for yourself. I know it may be not be nice to help them, but they need the exercise so they can lift the door in an emergency. The only reason they pass their recurrent in ATL or MSP is because the doors there have been used so many times they can lift the doors with a fingar.

 

You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.

I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.

One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers