Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-14-2011, 06:39 AM
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Absolutely awesome!
I've given up on helping them with bags. I'll be nice to them in every other way (well, "almost" every other way), but it's a principle of mine that they lift what they pack. I have enough back and shoulder problems with the crap we have to carry. I've had them stand near an overhead with the look (and whimpering) your dog gives you when it needs to go outside, and I've even had one tell me that carrying her bags was a precondition to eating. They were all disappointed in the outcome.
I've given up on helping them with bags. I'll be nice to them in every other way (well, "almost" every other way), but it's a principle of mine that they lift what they pack. I have enough back and shoulder problems with the crap we have to carry. I've had them stand near an overhead with the look (and whimpering) your dog gives you when it needs to go outside, and I've even had one tell me that carrying her bags was a precondition to eating. They were all disappointed in the outcome.
Heard a great story about a CA that was hearing complaints on the 777 about one particularly senior Mama that just sat on the jumpseat and wouldn't work the flight. The other FAs were sick of it, so he had the Senior Mama sit on the jumpseat and he asked her to perform her emergency procedures; she couldn't, so he called and had her replaced! May be just an urban legend, but I like it.
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02-14-2011, 07:17 AM
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Absolutely awesome!
I've given up on helping them with bags. I'll be nice to them in every other way (well, "almost" every other way), but it's a principle of mine that they lift what they pack. I have enough back and shoulder problems with the crap we have to carry. I've had them stand near an overhead with the look (and whimpering) your dog gives you when it needs to go outside, and I've even had one tell me that carrying her bags was a precondition to eating. They were all disappointed in the outcome.
I've given up on helping them with bags. I'll be nice to them in every other way (well, "almost" every other way), but it's a principle of mine that they lift what they pack. I have enough back and shoulder problems with the crap we have to carry. I've had them stand near an overhead with the look (and whimpering) your dog gives you when it needs to go outside, and I've even had one tell me that carrying her bags was a precondition to eating. They were all disappointed in the outcome.
02-14-2011, 08:25 AM
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To my fellow ER brothers and sisters, is it safe to pitch all my jepps now?
I can't tell you what a relief it is to not have to lug that flight case around!!!
I can't tell you what a relief it is to not have to lug that flight case around!!!
02-14-2011, 08:35 AM
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Denny
02-14-2011, 08:40 AM
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Why would you help a flight attendant with her bags since it states in their contract that they are not to lift the bags of the passengers? All you are doing is creating back and shoulder problems for yourself. I know it may be not be nice to help them, but they need the exercise so they can lift the door in an emergency. The only reason they pass their recurrent in ATL or MSP is because the doors there have been used so many times they can lift the doors with a fingar.
02-14-2011, 09:08 AM
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Why would you help a flight attendant with her bags since it states in their contract that they are not to lift the bags of the passengers? All you are doing is creating back and shoulder problems for yourself. I know it may be not be nice to help them, but they need the exercise so they can lift the door in an emergency. The only reason they pass their recurrent in ATL or MSP is because the doors there have been used so many times they can lift the doors with a fingar.
I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.
One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers
02-14-2011, 09:19 AM
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You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.
I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.
One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers
I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.
One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers
02-14-2011, 09:37 AM
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Carl
02-14-2011, 09:40 AM
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You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.
I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.
One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers
I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.
One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers
02-14-2011, 09:44 AM
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not so I'll assume not.
Since we have been the only major union on Delta property pretty much any thing we have negotiated to the good in previous contracts has been extended to the non-contract employees (the rest of the company) in some form or another. I'm sure this was done to keep other unions from getting a foothold here. If the company gives them what we negotiate, why do they need a union? A perfect example is profit sharing. We negotiated it and the company gave it to the rest of the employees. If we negotiate a raise, guess what, the rest of the employee groups get a raise. It may not be the same percentage but they get one too. It's also the reason some of the items we try to negotiate with the company during contract time run into more friction than you would think. The company may be okay giving it to us but they don't want to give it to the rest of the employee group. Example, the company hasn't wanted to give us PS on the second flight for commuting purposes...........they don't want to have to extend it to the flight attendants as well.
I'm not saying this is right but it is the world we live in at Delta. Or at least it has been. Post-merger the union issue with other employee groups has yet to be decided. If the union votes being appealed are upheld I fully expect the company to continue as they have in the past.
Denny
Since we have been the only major union on Delta property pretty much any thing we have negotiated to the good in previous contracts has been extended to the non-contract employees (the rest of the company) in some form or another. I'm sure this was done to keep other unions from getting a foothold here. If the company gives them what we negotiate, why do they need a union? A perfect example is profit sharing. We negotiated it and the company gave it to the rest of the employees. If we negotiate a raise, guess what, the rest of the employee groups get a raise. It may not be the same percentage but they get one too. It's also the reason some of the items we try to negotiate with the company during contract time run into more friction than you would think. The company may be okay giving it to us but they don't want to give it to the rest of the employee group. Example, the company hasn't wanted to give us PS on the second flight for commuting purposes...........they don't want to have to extend it to the flight attendants as well.
I'm not saying this is right but it is the world we live in at Delta. Or at least it has been. Post-merger the union issue with other employee groups has yet to be decided. If the union votes being appealed are upheld I fully expect the company to continue as they have in the past.
Denny
As bad as the NMB is these days, not even they would agree to a management argument that states: "Well if we give it to the pilots, we have to give it to everybody." It will require the fDAL pilots to completely walk away from this particularly dysfunctional part of the old Delta culture however. I hope it happens.
Carl
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